#597843 - 04/30/10 04:31 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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I'm still sticking with my earlier prediction. We are sucking hind [censored] now. 
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#597844 - 04/30/10 04:41 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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http://www.cbbulletin.com/384727.aspxI think we peaked on the 21st myself, but who knows..
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#597872 - 04/30/10 06:29 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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River Nutrients
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Exactly! Staff went beyond direction of the Commission, allowing the sport harvest through the weekend.
I just hope this does not impact steelhead opportunity like last year.
This [censored] has gone way to far, again.
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#597946 - 05/01/10 10:21 AM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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#597977 - 05/01/10 07:15 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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BUCK NASTY!!
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Keep our fingers crossed for a solid season on the summer kings... I can't wait..... Keith 
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#597979 - 05/01/10 08:03 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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River Nutrients
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I kind of prefer springer fishing. To me it's more like trolling for early TUNA!
Sitting on anchor I get restless. Perhaps I should limit myself to one thermos of coffee?
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#598045 - 05/02/10 06:42 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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Parr
Registered: 03/14/10
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When they switch the seine nets fishing will get so much better. You guys are just experiencing the effect of the gillnet fleet.
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#598052 - 05/02/10 08:04 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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I bet the peak of the run is still about 2 weeks out. We've only recently passed 1% jacks. Historically, the peak of the run is about 2-3 weeks past the 1% jack day. I'm betting we see about 200k+ fish in May.
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#598070 - 05/02/10 09:50 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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Registered: 07/01/09
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When they switch the seine nets fishing will get so much better. You guys are just experiencing the effect of the gillnet fleet.
how are seines going to make sportfishing better ?
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#598071 - 05/02/10 09:55 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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When they switch the seine nets fishing will get so much better. You guys are just experiencing the effect of the gillnet fleet. Wow. I think CCA should elect you state board president. Fish on... Todd
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#598085 - 05/02/10 11:23 PM
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Parr
Registered: 02/13/08
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Keep our fingers crossed for a solid season on the summer kings... I can't wait..... Keith Did you notice the new rules are back to hatchery only on the lower river? I hope they at least let us fish before the nets go in.
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#598117 - 05/03/10 08:43 AM
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Alevin
Registered: 05/01/10
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How could switching to seine nets not help the overall fisheries? Gillnets are not only lethal to salmon, but every other living creature that comes into contact with them. Have witnessed everything from salmon smolts,herring,anchovies,candlefish,dogfish,crabs,seals(oh darn)and the list goes on,see thier demise from a gillnet. Seine nets on the other hand can be very selective and promote the unharmed release of most everything netted. Have witnessed the safe release of hundreds if not thousands of different species (chin,coho,pink,steelhead,chum,cutties,bottom fish,birds,seals,sturgeon,etc) by use of a seine net. Will a gillnetter be able to sucsessfully convert and be efficient at using a seine net?
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#598124 - 05/03/10 09:41 AM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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Registered: 10/19/09
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What were looking at here is the inabilty of staff to accurately predict the run sizes. A sports industry that demands a 45 day season before the first run update, a tribal fishery that is guaranteed 50%, and an over capitalized non tribal fleet that can catch 8000 fish in 4 hours..Seines aren't going to fix much of anything
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#598127 - 05/03/10 09:49 AM
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Good point SBD.
I won't hold my breath for a reopen.......
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#598145 - 05/03/10 11:38 AM
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BUCK NASTY!!
Registered: 01/26/00
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Keep our fingers crossed for a solid season on the summer kings... I can't wait..... Keith Did you notice the new rules are back to hatchery only on the lower river? I hope they at least let us fish before the nets go in. I hadn't seen that yet....... Makes me puke that they are going to take that away from us as well.......... The way I see it is when they can clip 95%+ of the smolt going out then they can cut the bonking of the assumed wild fish.... Here's the clip rates for the upcoming returns... Upper CR Summer Chinook Brood Year 2005 = 76% ad-clip Brood Year 2006 = 86% ad-clip http://www.rmpc.org/reports/AS114625.txthttp://www.rmpc.org/reports/AS114669.txtKeith 
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#598342 - 05/03/10 11:01 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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Got over 149K past the wall. Technical folks are now projecting a total run-size between 310K and 370K. 310K to 370K really means 340K +/- 9%. Seems pretty reasonable to me seeing as we've counted about midway thru the run-size. We'll certainly know better by next week. We've got 149K past the dam plus another 30K harvested before the dam. 149 + 30 = 179K. Double 179K means a total run-size estimate in the neighborhood of 358K. So..... The 40%-buffered runsize of 280K is clearly in the bag. The NON-treaty harvest impact threshold runsize of 326K is exceedingly likely to be satisfied. (Yes, ODFW/WDFW were clearly counting their chickens before they hatched when they allowed the rec fishery to exceed the pre-season guideline... an arrogant and dangerous conceit, I must concede.) So let's get this all straight.... The LCR commercial objective was satisfied.... The LCR rec objectives for a full predictable season were satisfied.... The upriver users are prosecuting the season they were promised.... AND the entry pattern of upriver spring chinook shows that there are enough fish (most likely with a few to spare) to fund all of the NON-treaty impacts already expended. Is anyone really still upset at this stage of the game? Come on folks.... don't worry... be happy....
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#598352 - 05/03/10 11:43 PM
Re: 470,000?? I'm not so sure......
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Got over 149K past the wall. Technical folks are now projecting a total run-size between 310K and 370K. 310K to 370K really means 340K +/- 9%. Seems pretty reasonable to me seeing as we've counted about midway thru the run-size. We'll certainly know better by next week. We've got 149K past the dam plus another 30K harvested before the dam. 149 + 30 = 179K. Double 179K means a total run-size estimate in the neighborhood of 358K. So..... The 40%-buffered runsize of 280K is clearly in the bag. The NON-treaty harvest impact threshold runsize of 326K is exceedingly likely to be satisfied. (Yes, ODFW/WDFW were clearly counting their chickens before they hatched when they allowed the rec fishery to exceed the pre-season guideline... an arrogant and dangerous conceit, I must concede.) So let's get this all straight.... The LCR commercial objective was satisfied.... The LCR rec objectives for a full predictable season were satisfied.... The upriver users are prosecuting the season they were promised.... AND the entry pattern of upriver spring chinook shows that there are enough fish (most likely with a few to spare) to fund all of the NON-treaty impacts already expended. Is anyone really still upset at this stage of the game? Come on folks.... don't worry... be happy.... All looking good...... But..................................................... What about future spilling in the CR? Keith
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#598354 - 05/03/10 11:47 PM
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River Nutrients
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OMG how did we get there so fast?
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