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#587286 - 03/09/10 01:08 PM Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing?????
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http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/news/story?id=4975762

Culled out

Obama administration will accept no more public input for federal fishery strategy

By Robert Montgomery
ESPNOutdoors.com

The Obama administration will accept no more public input for a federal strategy that could prohibit U.S. citizens from fishing the nation's oceans, coastal areas, Great Lakes, and even inland waters.

This announcement comes at the time when the situation supposedly still is "fluid" and the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force still hasn't issued its final report on zoning uses of these waters.

That's a disappointment, but not really a surprise for fishing industry insiders who have negotiated for months with officials at the Council on Environmental Quality and bureaucrats on the task force. These angling advocates have come to suspect that public input into the process was a charade from the beginning.

"When the World Wildlife Fund (WWF) and International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) completed their successful campaign to convince the Ontario government to end one of the best scientifically managed big game hunts in North America (spring bear), the results of their agenda had severe economic impacts on small family businesses and the tourism economy of communities across northern and central Ontario," said Phil Morlock, director of environmental affairs for Shimano.

"Now we see NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and the administration planning the future of recreational fishing access in America based on a similar agenda of these same groups and other Big Green anti-use organizations, through an Executive Order by the President. The current U.S. direction with fishing is a direct parallel to what happened in Canada with hunting: The negative economic impacts on hard working American families and small businesses are being ignored.

"In spite of what we hear daily in the press about the President's concern for jobs and the economy and contrary to what he stated in the June order creating this process, we have seen no evidence from NOAA or the task force that recreational fishing and related jobs are receiving any priority."

Consequently, unless anglers speak up and convince their Congressional representatives to stop this bureaucratic freight train, it appears that the task force will issue a final report for "marine spatial planning" by late March, with President Barack Obama then issuing an Executive Order to implement its recommendations — whatever they may be.

Led by NOAA's Jane Lubchenco, the task force has shown no overt dislike of recreational angling, but its indifference to the economic, social and biological value of the sport has been deafening.

Additionally, Lubchenco and others in the administration have close ties to environmental groups who would like nothing better than to ban recreational angling. And evidence suggests that these organizations have been the engine behind the task force since before Obama issued a memo creating it last June.

One sign at the rally of recreational and commercial fishermen summed up the feelings.

As ESPN previously reported, WWF, Greenpeace, Defenders of Wildlife, Pew Environment Group and others produced a document entitled "Transition Green" shortly after Obama was elected in 2008. What has happened since suggests that the task force has been in lockstep with that position paper.

Then in late summer, just after he created the task force, these groups produced "Recommendations for the Adoption and Implementation of an Oceans, Coasts, and Great Lakes National Policy." This document makes repeated references to "overfishing," but doesn't once reference recreational angling, its importance, and its benefits, both to participants and the resource.

Additionally, some of these same organizations have revealed their anti-fishing bias by playing fast and loose with "facts," in attempts to ban tackle containing lead in the United States and Canada.

That same tunnel vision, in which recreational angling and commercial fishing are indiscriminately lumped together as harmful to the resource, has persisted with the task force, despite protests by the angling industry.

As more evidence of collusion, the green groups began clamoring for an Executive Order to implement the task force's recommendations even before the public comment period ended in February. Fishing advocates had no idea that this was coming.

Perhaps not so coincidentally, the New York Times reported on Feb. 12 that "President Obama and his team are preparing an array of actions using his executive power to advance energy, environmental, fiscal and other domestic policy priorities."

Morlock fears that "what we're seeing coming at us is an attempted dismantling of the science-based fish and wildlife model that has served us so well. There's no basis in science for the agendas of these groups who are trying to push the public out of being able to fish and recreate.

"Conflicts (user) are overstated and problems are manufactured. It's all just an excuse to put us off the water."

In the wake of the task force's framework document, the Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation (CSF) and its partners in the U.S. Recreational Fishing & Boating Coalition against voiced their concerns to the administration.

"Some of the potential policy implications of this interim framework have the potential to be a real threat to recreational anglers who not only contribute billions of dollars to the economy and millions of dollars in tax revenues to support fisheries conservation, but who are also the backbone of the American fish and wildlife conservation ethic," said CSF President Jeff Crane.

Morlock, a member of the CSF board, added, "There are over one million jobs in America supported coast to coast by recreational fishing. The task force has not included any accountability requirements in their reports for evaluating or mitigating how the new policies they are drafting will impact the fishing industry or related economies.

"Given that the scope of this process appears to include a new set of policies for all coastal and inland waters of the United States, the omission of economic considerations is inexcusable."

This is not the only access issue threatening the public's right to fish, but it definitely is the most serious, according to Chris Horton, national conservation director for BASS.

"With what's being created, the same principles could apply inland as apply to the oceans," he said. "Under the guise of 'marine spatial planning' entire watersheds could be shut down, even 2,000 miles up a river drainage from the ocean.

"Every angler needs to be aware because if it's not happening in your backyard today or tomorrow, it will be eventually.

"We have one of the largest voting blocks in the country and we need to use it. We must not sit idly by."


Edited by ISO Chrome (03/09/10 01:10 PM)

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#587289 - 03/09/10 01:12 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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No...that article is fairly bereft of facts, and some of it is straight up incorrect. Fear mongering.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/09_17_09_Interim_Report_of_Task_Force_FINAL2.pdf

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#587290 - 03/09/10 01:13 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Todd]
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Already being discussed in this thread...

http://www.piscatorialpursuits.com/forum...own.html#UNREAD

Fish on...

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#587325 - 03/09/10 02:48 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Todd]
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Sorry Todd...if I had looked at the other thread first I would not have
reposted the info. blush

No worries...

ISO

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#587332 - 03/09/10 03:03 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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Yes!....after he takes all your guns he's coming for your rods! shocked

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#587333 - 03/09/10 03:04 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Ikissmykiss]
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Rod grabbers. What's next?
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#587364 - 03/09/10 04:25 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Most of the "rod grabbers" are on the other side of the aisle wink

Fish on...

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#587377 - 03/09/10 05:37 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Todd]
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Rod grabbing mandaters! Dammit, they are everywhere.
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#587380 - 03/09/10 05:44 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Dogfish]
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They're mandaters? They date men? Not that there's anything wrong with that - req. Jerry Seinfeld disclaimer.

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#587451 - 03/09/10 09:42 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Salmo g.]
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Originally Posted By: Salmo g.
They're mandaters? They date men? Not that there's anything wrong with that - req. Jerry Seinfeld disclaimer.



rofl

Classic episode.

So what is worse, elected officials that show an interest in outdoor pursuits such as hunting and fishing but yet fail to preserve/conserve the required habitat for fish and wildlife or officials that don't hunt/fish at all but do show conservation efforts while at the same time throw./wasting tax money at social issues?

Yeah, I know that is a whole different topic but one I reflect on from time to time.
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#587481 - 03/09/10 11:23 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: The Catcherman]
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The OR salt fisherman are about ready to chit a brick with the marine reserve proposals...next!

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#587498 - 03/10/10 01:17 AM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: HOOKUP]
Illahee Offline
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So this must have really rocked your chicken little worlds. What do you knob polishers think about this?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13300363/

Bush creates world’s biggest ocean preserve.


Edited by freespool (03/10/10 01:20 AM)

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#587520 - 03/10/10 11:06 AM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Illahee]
Todd Offline
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...hing.html?cat=9

"In what may be the worst example of outdoor sports reporting in the history of America, ESPN has claimed that President Barack Obama is on the verge of banning recreational fishing.

ESPNOutdoors.com writer Robert Montgomery posted an article today claiming that the administration's decision to end the public comment phase of the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force means that
Obama is likely preparing to issue an executive order outlawing recreational fishing in America.

As a sportsman who covers fisheries management and politics I do think there are many issues surrounding the Interagency Ocean Policy Task Force and its eventual recommendations that all fishermen should be aware of and concerned about.

But to go from concern to suggesting that President Obama is about to ban fishing in America is the most absurd and irresponsible thing I have ever seen a major news outlet publish. There is not even a remote possibility that a standing president of the United States will outlaw fishing in America."

Keep an eye on your guns, bacon, women, and fishing rods...Sharia Law is comin' to town...not.

Fish on...

Todd
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#587538 - 03/10/10 12:04 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...hing.html?cat=9

There it is...hopefully it will work this time!

Fish on...

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#587540 - 03/10/10 12:04 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
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It did.

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#587544 - 03/10/10 12:11 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Todd]
Illahee Offline
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This is simply laughable, wingnuts all up in arms about Obama aledged banning sportfishing.
And these same wingnuts just sat on their hands while Bushco used our nation environmental laws as butt wipe for 8 years.
Or was that somehow good for fish and recreational fishermen?

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#587676 - 03/10/10 07:17 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Illahee]
Todd Offline
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More:

ESPN takes one for the team:

http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/saltwater/columns/story?columnist=bowman_steve&id=4982359

...and Media Matters weighs in on the issue:

http://mediamatters.org/research/201003100014

Hard to believe that some might want to distort the truth for political purposes, isn't it? Nah...considering who were talking about, it's pretty much par for the course.

Fish on...

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#587683 - 03/10/10 08:15 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Todd]
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Did some poking around and found the Robert Montgomery has ties with CCA and RFA, big huge surprise.
Better warm up the banquet organizers, smear campaigns cost lots of money.


Edited by freespool (03/10/10 08:16 PM)

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#587690 - 03/10/10 09:00 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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Absolutely scary stuff KK,...........righties under the bed, in the closet, the local conservation club, hiding in the wood pile.

rofl

You're beginning to make me wonder who the real "wingnut" is.

AAAHHHHH THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!

rofl

C'mon man aren't you better than all this partisan crap? Why don't you use your superior knowledge to edumicate all these backwoods, low rent, know nothings you insinuate the right is so riddled with?
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#587700 - 03/10/10 09:54 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
On this board, CCA is a wingnut dominated org, with the most vocal CCA'ers being amongst the biggest wingnuts. Oregon CCA is affiliated with some major wingnuts.........flat out right wing extremists, who are themselves associated with astroturf groups like Freedom Works.

I am beginning to see a trend here....................... smile ...............and frankly the more one digs, the more wingnuts one finds.



Ok well pardon me but edumicate me as to what facts are in your post besides the one about some being involved in Freedom Works? Other than that your post is full of nothing more than opinion and conjecture. Yet you demand that I respond using facts? How does one respond to that? Please.

Do I agree with everything CCA stands for? No. Do I think that they are part of some nefarious right-wing plot to erode the rights of sportfishermen everywhere? No. You're looking for boggeymen in places that extend beyond even your paranoid reach.

I haven't had the chance to read the 38 pages in the link posted by Todd concerning the report in question. If I did I can imagine there are some things in there that sportfishermen should be very aware and concerned over.

Bottom line is why spend your time attacking people who giving up their free time to work to an end most of us would agree on? Is it that you really disagree with the positions of the CCA that much or do you just get a sense of satisfaction in bulldogging people you may not agree with 100%??

I liken the situation to a pack of dogs chasing a cat up a tree. The dogs all agree they want to get the cat. Yet when it's treed and the dogs begin to fight each other to get to the cat the teeth come out. When all the blood and fur is strewn at the bottom of the tree the cat walks away untouched.

What have you been doing to help out? What are your suggestions to help fix the problems we face? I all see from you is hit and run attacks when the mood hits you.

C'mon KK you're a smart feller arentcha? Where's your grand solution?
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#587719 - 03/10/10 10:39 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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Nice redirect.

That was funny without sound but my computer speakers at home are the fritz.

Beck is a complete stooge and the White House's biggest ally.

Care to address anything I said?
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#587729 - 03/10/10 10:51 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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Oh hey KK at your leisure buddy. Wouldn't want to strain a man of your age.

I'll be on pins and needles anticipating your response.

rofl
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#587789 - 03/11/10 08:29 AM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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Didn't realize that Obama wore an ear ring.
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#587793 - 03/11/10 10:03 AM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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Don't worry about this sh!t, it is all hype.....he's in big trouble at home right now so I think he'd rather escape for a bit and be out flinging a few flies if he had time........ rofl


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQTaWjMoFw&feature=PlayList&p=58NKeitRqbE


Edited by Mingo (03/11/10 10:05 AM)
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#587833 - 03/11/10 12:19 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Mingo]
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Originally Posted By: Mingo

Don't worry about this sh!t, it is all hype.....he's in big trouble at home right now so I think he'd rather escape for a bit and be out flinging a few flies if he had time........ rofl


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQTaWjMoFw&feature=PlayList&p=58NKeitRqbE


Mingo that's hilarious! I love "The Onion." rofl
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#587834 - 03/11/10 12:21 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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Liberals and conservatives both fish. Differences I've observed is that liberals, on average, tread a bit lighter on the earth, employing techniques that leave a smaller footprint and using land and water transportation that burn less fossil fuel. Conservative anglers, again, on average, are less likely to be involved in environmental activism, are more likely to live and fish in ways that leave a larger footprint, and use land and water transportation that burn the most fossil fuel. Liberal anglers tend to fish public water, while conservative anglers are more likely to fish private waters.

An atypical example would be the Moisie River Salmon Club, whose members are mostly "captains of industry" types, who own and or run corporations that pollute US waters, but no matter, they own a private river in Canada for their fishing recreation. The members live and fish with a maximum footprint on the landscape, tending to live in mansions, employ numerous servants (the Club has a staff to member ratio greater than 2:1). This is not all bad, as it creates employment and redistributes a small fraction of their wealth.

Of course, it is the exceptions that prove the rule, with Hankster fishing with his man-powered kayak and Aunty who grows her own food (but what's that parked in the mega garage?). There's probably even a liberal on this forum who drives a gas guzzler and a boat that burns gallons per hour. But again, on average . . .

Sg

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#587838 - 03/11/10 12:25 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
stlhead Offline
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WRONG........but maybe you'll get a nice parting gift.
I'm sure I fit into your liberal label and, on average, I fish the salt 2 to 3 times a week from mid June through October. Am actually slowing down on river fishing because I'm getting tired of tweakers, sleds and combat fishing mentality.
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#587839 - 03/11/10 12:28 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Salmo g.]
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I balance out driving a gas guzzler by only having man-powered boats!

This entire topic is typical of the last year...one wingnut spouts off about something that he is making up out of thin air...one media member picks it up and runs it...ten pundits pass it around to their readership (also a bunch of wingnuts) who accept it as gospel without doing one iota of fact checking.

Those wingnuts organize a protest (ala TeaBaggers), and make signs with poorly spelled words...and gather around to protest the nonexistent issue.

The protest is picked up by the news, and then they run it as actual news, rather than as the half-baked protest about nothing perpetuated by fear-mongering partisans that it is.

A few cooler heads prevail and spread the actual facts of the situation, which, not surprisingly, bear little resemblence to the original story being peddled by the fear mongers.

A half ass retraction on page 48 below the fold, that virtually no one reads soon follows.

The fired up TeaBaggers, against all facts and logic, now cling to the story as hard as they cling to their guns and bacon, continuing to spread it.

Even if they accept that the actual story they are fear mongering about is false, they just skip right past it and say "well, it could happen!", and then continue to protest the nonexistent threat as if it already had happened.

While neither major party has a great track record with disseminating the truth, it's awfully clear which of the two employs this method of "political discourse" far more often than the other.

Fish on...

Todd
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#587845 - 03/11/10 12:44 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Todd]
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Just a modern version of McCarthyism, the party of fear, smear, and NO.

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#587868 - 03/11/10 02:07 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: ]
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So do you think that game refuges that are located on land, to be a restrictive action toward hunters?

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#587884 - 03/11/10 02:58 PM Re: Is Obama and his Administration Anti-Fishing????? [Re: Illahee]
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Whatever happened to those Fred Flintstone vehicles? I bet the oil companies nixed them as they used no fuel.

"and the boat... hasn't been out of there since last May. When it does get used, it spends more time on anchor or on shore than running."

Isn't that your definition of a Liberal?
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