#590972 - 03/27/10 01:04 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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That dang Hopey Changey Thing Again
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#591476 - 03/30/10 05:41 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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Village Idiot
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I am in EMS and I can tell you soooo many people abuse the system it's sickening. There was a guy in our area who worked as a janitor at a local hospital. When he was out of gas, hung over, etc, he would call for an ambulance, fake that he was sick then refuse treatment when he got to the hospital. I know he had health insurance, but always said he didn't. Thanks taxpayers. Had a 15 year old girl, pregnant with her 3rd child (had a 1yo and a miscarriage) complained of feeling sick. Her mom was giving her meth to combat morning sickness. We have people in little fender benders wanting ambulance transport to the hospital, then asking if I know how much they can get in a lawsuit, and if whiplash or back pain pay better. Then we have the illegal aliens....... So now you think I should have to pay higher premiums to cover these retards? Obamacare isn't about healthcare or insurance, it's a TAX, plain and simple.
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#591482 - 03/30/10 05:59 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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River Nutrients
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"So now you think I should have to pay higher premiums to cover these retards? Obamacare isn't about healthcare or insurance, it's a TAX, plain and simple."
You seem to contradict yourself. You complain about people who abuse the system costing us taxpayers yet you whine about EVERYONE being required to have insurance. If you are in EMS then you most likely have health insurance and will be minimally effected if at all. The "I should have to pay higher premiums" is no where in the bill. Stop listening to Rush and Palin it will rot your brain.
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#591487 - 03/30/10 06:10 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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Village Idiot
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It affects us all! The ambulance companies and hospitals charge more when these deadbeats don't pay their bill. Insurance companies have to pay these higher costs and pass them on in premiums. It costs us all. This bill does little to help people. I buy health insurance for myself and my son. I opted out of the company offered insurance as it was $150 a month more expensive than what I buy it for on my own. The union wanted everything in the plan and got it. I don't listen to Rush or Palin but thanks for trying to lump me into your little groups.
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#591490 - 03/30/10 06:20 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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River Nutrients
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"It affects us all!"
As it did before this bill was passed. You and I were already paying for it.
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#591495 - 03/30/10 06:36 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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But they NEED 22" wheels, snowboards, cigarettes etc. Why pay for things you need when there is a program to provide you things you really need? You can get welfare programs to pay rent, get a car, get cash, get food, pay repair bills, electricity, heat, school, health care. At $5 a pack for cigarettes, 30 days a month, that's $150, you can buy decent insurance for that. Cable, Internet, cell phones, booze etc. These people make their choice.
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#591550 - 03/30/10 11:47 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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I can't find 'decent' insurance at more than twice that. Probably because you are high risk...
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#591556 - 03/31/10 12:46 AM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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Registered: 12/06/09
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Regency blue cross blue shield. I buy and carry my own policies, my employer is not involved in any way, they have a different provider. My sons policy is $114 a month, hes 2 1/2, mine is $157 a month, Im 38. I do have a $2500 deductable each.
This is in Oregon, Obama forgot to take away the company monopolies allowing sales across state lines.
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#591565 - 03/31/10 01:36 AM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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My son has free well child and immunizations so really we have very little cost. I think Im money ahead.
No, actually you still wont be able to buy across state lines, it helps keep premium prices high, which the government wil be able to tax more. Also different states have different heath insurance mandates, making keeping all the right policies in all the right states tricky.
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#591588 - 03/31/10 10:55 AM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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Registered: 05/14/06
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that's $150, you can buy decent insurance for that. Where ? I can't find 'decent' insurance at more than twice that. zactly....
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#591647 - 03/31/10 04:34 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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River Nutrients
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Here's the thing bait dunker / Marz... if you are REALLY interested in the truth about welfare abuse... just do a little research.
You'll find that welfare DOES NOT buy people rims and stereos and cigarettes. Illegals are NOT getting "free" government healthcare... and ANYBODY that goes to the emergency room for their health care ends up paying for it one way or the other. If they cannot pay cash and don't have insurance, their bill is sent to collections which effectively ruins their credit and their ability to make major purchases in the future.
Abuses by poor people are just a miniscule drop in the bucket when compared to all of the corporate welfare... yet 'conservatives' never even bat an eyelash at any of that.
Why not?
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#591649 - 03/31/10 05:18 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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River Nutrients
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You'll bat your eye out!
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#591654 - 03/31/10 05:46 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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Returning Adult
Registered: 02/04/09
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Loc: Edmonds, WA
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4salt, I never said welfare was being used to buy rims, etc. I was saying that people will go without health care to buy the accouterments of life like rims, xboxes etc... working people with income and misaligned priorities.
Now for illegals getting free health care, maybe you should explain that to my nurse friend in CA that delivers illegals babies on a regular basis, paid by the state, in a nice hospital, not the county clinic.
County hospitals ask your income level when you go in there and if you fall into the "poverty" category, you get health care, yes free, no not with a bill nor any hit to your credit rating. I had a friend of mine who was a drug addict and got new teeth, diabetes meds, and complete facial reconstruction when he took a spill face first on ice... no payment, no credit hit, nothing more than filling out a form and waiting. He is now recovered and has not had to pay a dime, ever.
Welfare abuse is rampant, if you don't believe it, go spend some time in East Oakland at 10am on a Tuesday and ask around. See how fast you get offers to trade booze for food stamps. Ask how many of them folks have been on welfare and for how long... it isnt just the fact that people use welfare for income, they do it for LIFE.
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#591667 - 03/31/10 07:41 PM
Re: 20 Ways Obamacare Steals Your Freedoms
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Registered: 12/08/09
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Seems to me like "the system" gets scammed at all levels - from the proles to the corporate kings. In both instances I'd wager that a little more regulation could go a long ways. I don't condone either way of life, I just happen to respect and understand Joe Dirt a little more for wanting to be able to eat AND get his drink on, than I do for Bernard Madoff.
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