Let's face reality folks............Mr. O's hidden agenda is to weaken this country to the point of vulnerability to the oil rich countries and possibly China. Name an action he has taken that hasn't matched that agenda. jrc
- A recent "Investor's Business Daily" article provided very interesting statistics from a survey by the United Nations International Health Organization.

Percentage of men and women who survived a cancer five years after diagnosis:

U.S. 65%

England 46%

Canada 42%

Percentage of patients diagnosed with diabetes who received treatment within six months:

U.S. 93%

England 15%

Canada 43%

Percentage of seniors needing hip replacement who received it within six months:

U.S. 90%

England 15%

Canada 43%

Percentage referred to a medical specialist who see one within one month:

U.S. 77%

England 40%

Canada 43%

Number of MRI scanners (a prime diagnostic tool) per million people:

U.S. 71

England 14

Canada 18

Percentage of seniors (65+), with low income, who say they are in "excellent health":

U.S. 12%

England 2%

Canada 6%


I don't know about you, but I don't want "Universal Healthcare" comparable to England or Canada .


Moreover, it was Sen. Harry Reid who said, "Elderly Americans must learn to accept the inconveniences of old age."

SHIP HIM TO CANADA OR ENGLAND !

He is "elderly" himself but be sure to remember his health insurance is different from yours as Congress has their own high-end coverage! He will never have to learn to accept "inconveniences"!!!


AND THE WINNER IS VERY INTERESTING--the percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector prior to their appointment to the cabinet. You know what the private business sector is... a real life business, not a government job. Here are the percentages.


T. Roosevelt........ 38%

Taft.....................40%

Wilson .................. 52%

Harding..................49%

Coolidge.............. 48%

Hoover................. 42%

F. Roosevelt......... 50%

Truman..................50%

Eisenhower........... 57%

Kennedy.............. 30%

Johnson.................47%

Nixon................... 53%

Ford..................... 42%

Carter.................. 32%

Reagan...................56%

GH Bush................. 51%

Clinton ................. 39%

GW Bush................ 55% & nbsp;

And the winner of the Chicken Dinner is:
Obama................ 8% !
Is this because he wants to be the smartest one in the room?

Yep! That's right! Only Eight Percent!!!..the least by far of the last 19 presidents!! And these people are trying to tell our big corporations how to run their business? They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and me?


GOD HELP US!

"the percentage of each past president's cabinet who had worked in the private business sector"

You mean lobbyist/conflict of interest types? The last pres was notorious for that. Thank god he's gone.

"They know what's best for GM...Chrysler... Wall Street... and you and me?"

Versus the corps running the govt which led us to this mess. Thank god he's gone.

Wow RK, you copy/paste with such style!

I especially like the header where you think the President of the US has a hidden agenda to try to weaken the country. I think you finally cracked the code! He's not an American citizen (birther), he's a Muslim, his a minority, so of course he's out to destroy the country. It's all so clear now, thanks!!!

Thanks Irish. Glad to help you finally it figured out!!

RK, I think your beginning statement may be a bit over the top. No one man is all powerful to weaken an entire country while we still live in a psuedo consitutional republic, especially the United States. I personally don't believe it's Obama's agenda to weaken the US, there is a possibility that he may just believe the steps he is taking will be helping the country, although that is also doubtful.

That said it is perfectly feasible to me that those who actually run the show may be intent on driving this country into the ground for their own monetary benefit. For those of you that beleive that POTUS is anything more than a figure head I truly feel sorry for you. In the real world, the world is run by money and influence and it's my opinion that a changing of the guard is taking place. Our economy will be secondary to China's and others, it is only a matter of time.

Don't pay attention to those who would rather discredit you as a "birther" or tea bagger or whatever. They know nothing more than what they watch on MSNBC every night because they are too lazy to find information anywhere else. Strong convictions then lead them to make stupid comments because they are easily misled, gullible.

I challenge any of you Obamatrons to address the statistics this man posted as opposed to your childish responses. They're pretty frightening if you ask me. Or do you have the nads for it?

They simply want to keep the people reliant on the government while they sell the country out. A high reliance on government is job security for these folks and foreign policy is good for busine$$.

The US citizens are just as much to blame for this though...

When they say the boogie man is coming to get you we dont confront it and demand proof, we now cower in the corner throwing money at it hoping it will go away or yell for the government to come chase it away.

When a US industry lies dying coughing up blood we are too busy basking in the warm glow of a screen to even notice let alone do anything about it. When it is gone we as ourselves "how did this happen" over a cart full of cheap Chinese goods bought at reasonable prices. Although the price of those goods is not always measured in dollars, we seldom care untill we are out of work... then... once again we look to the government to fix it for us.

With Liberty comes personal responsibility and we have an ever increasing tendency to shrug off those responsibilities and turn the wheel over to the gov. as long as we have fast food and TV who needs to uphold the fundamentals of a Republic?

And true to form, we still blame the government instead of blaming ourselves... just like a 15 year old blaming the parents for the restriction, not blaming themselves for the failing grades that got them there.

"Don't pay attention to those who would rather discredit you as a "birther" or tea bagger or whatever. They know nothing more than what they watch on MSNBC every night because they are too lazy to find information anywhere else. Strong convictions then lead them to make stupid comments because they are easily misled, gullible."

That last sentence leads us back to the birthers and teabaggers.

"I challenge any of you Obamatrons to address the statistics "

Here goes:
1) The statistics are selective reasoning at it's finest.
2) We aren't going to a system anything similar to England Or Canada.
3) It's an exact cut and paste traveling around the right wing blogs.
4) There is no United Nations International Health Organization.
5) Statistics like these are NOT kept. Prove me wrong.

There. Now I challenge you to find this statistic:

The percentage of people in each of those three countries who have health care.

All of these extraneous bullsh!t wingnut copy/pastes can be boiled down to one basic question... and that is WHY?

WHY would Obama want to weaken the nation?

And up to this point... NONE of the wingnut, teabagger, birther supposed 'evidence' of Obama's "hidden agenda" passes the laugh test or is grounded in ANY kind of logic or rationality.

I'd be embarrassed if I were you RK.

Stink - I would be happy to do a statistical analysis of RK's c&p if I thought it would do any good.

For a self-professed non-wingnut... you're pretty wingnutty sometimes...

Methinks thou doth protest too much.

I see,......selective reasoning. Statistics like this are NOT kept,.......gee, perhaps I should have done my research before posting. Why would anyone want to keep statistics on cancer survival rates? How silly of me to jump to conclusions without knowing where the information came from,.............wait a minute.

On March 24th, 2009 the National Center for Policy Analysis published a study labeled "10 Suprising Facts About American Healthcare". In it you will find many of the healthcare statistics in the copy/paste job above, all sourced and referenced. Read away to your heart's desire.

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba649

Now, why does the above post reference the fictitious "United Nations International Health Organization"? You got me. My best guess is it was some neoconservative dimbulb who posted information somewhere thinking it was correct information so they could compare with liberal dimbulbs just how big of dimbulbs they are to each other. I would tell you that you could have found this out yourself if you looked past the second Google entry you found but I suspect your research skills are lacking anyway, what's the use.

To answer your brain buster challenge question: my guess would be 100% since no one is denied healthcare if they need help. Health insurance, as you must know, is something all together different and I don't have those statistics for you off hand.

What I find fascinating is that the RWNJs continue to publish a seemingly endless tirade of Internet crap. I get one or more almost every day. The vast majority of this nonsense can be easily debunked by a quick visit to Snopes. Do the promulgators of this incessant flow of missinformation not care what the truth is?
I get roughly one piece of left wing nonsense for every 20 from the right.

Why does the right have such a strong desire to spread misinformation? Why do they continue to believe this pure propaganda a when almost every one is proven wrong? i.e. Obama is a Muslim, Obama won’t swear on the bible, Obama wasn’t born in the USA, and Obama is trying to wipe out sportfishing, etc.etc.etc.
Please try to check the accuracy of your endlessly forwarded junk before continuing to recirculate it. Here s a good starting point. http://www.snopes.com

The post that started this thread is quite old and is as irrelevant now as when it first floated to the top of the RWWJ cesspool.

Same reason the other side does. To further propagate the false left/right paradigm that exists in our political realm.

I've said before, both sides of the aisle despise the Constitution in one way or another. It's much easier to rule when there are no restrictions on the rule makers.

When people are fighting each other they are too busy doing just that to turn their attention to the real issues at hand.

SW: I pretty mnuch agree with your take, but even my very right wing buddy admits that in the past five or so years the right is shoveling much more Internet [censored] than the left. Not that they are more full of [censored]. The fringes of both parties are very much full of crap. But the right sure seems hell bent on making sure every one in their address book gets their daily minimum requirement of crap.

I would say the stuff I receive is from very much the mainstream of both sides. Fringe is such a loose term these days it depends on who you talk to. Talk to Aunty and I am the "right wing fringe dude". I am very inclined to agree with her even though I despise most republicans. Although the more I talk to folks I realize many people share my point of view. Or, perhaps they are inclined to agree with me in order to avoid confrontation, who knows.

Either way at some point the L/R bull$hit gets old after a while and one begins to wonder just who is sneaking out the back door with all of our valuables while we are busy arguing at the front counter.

That curve has been phucked up since KayKay ain't postin' as much.....

Classic. If you're going to quote a source, why not use the WHO, which is a well-known and widely respected organization that actually exists?

The weakness of our political system is the electorate. Plain and simple. We constantly defend half the people who have us bent over a barrel, and continue to vote for them because they tell us what we want to hear. Then we act surprised when the party in power changes, but the screwing continues.

We have to break the chains of the two major parties if this country is going to thrive.

If the extremers on each end of the politicial spectrum keep the common citizens snipping at each other by floating the internet crap such as was in the first post, then we can't figure out that the majority of the citizens have more in common than not. The divide is exploited by the extremers to benefit the people that can gain by keeping us at odds with each other.

+ 100

Dan, even though I know I bug the $hit out of you we agree here 1000%.

Problem is good luck trying to get a 3rd or 4th party candidate on any ballot. Any idea how much it costs to get a Pres. contender on all 50 state ballots? Completely not feasible unless you are Ross Perot.

Figure that one out and I'll line up right behind you.

We don't need another political party, IMO.

What we need is for the rational, reasonably intelligent folks in both parties to take their respective parties back from the corrupt people in charge of them.

A 2 party system is really the ONLY way to insure a true majority wins out.

If you have 3 or more parties... no one of them would receive more than the 50% +1 it takes to have majority rule... which is the most basic tenet of democracy.

Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton etc... agonized over this fact back in the day but came to this conclusion.

Ah yes, mob rule. Forget about princibles and adding legitimate concepts to the debate. We'd much rather have people loyal to one corrupt side or the other determining the fate of the nation. Forget about the fact that many other countries function with much more than 2 political parties.

It's like demanding you have Coke or Pepsi when you don't really care for either.

Anybody serve Fresca around here?