Dan, you took the words out of my mouth. So now Hankster's an ecosystems management expert as well.

Given that I happen to know a thing or two about salt marsh ecology, but am not personally familiar with the Louisiana coast, I've been keeping my damn mouth shut on the sand berm subject cuz it's more entertaining to watch Hank prove that he's a dumb sh!t.

Sg

Hank ain't dumb... he's just bizarrely and sociopathically misguided... that's all.

I wasn't talkin' about your alleged knowledge of salt marsh biology there Hank... I was speakin' more in general terms.

Reading all of this has given me a headache.

Tard syndrome runs deep on the dark side.

Someday all of you asswipes will quit the partisan BS and realize that none of you are absolutly correct.

For now, we have a major problem. One that I really doubt most of you can really comprehend because your too busy pointing fingers at the left and the right while trying to unsecesfully prove that that your smarter or more up to date on the problem that we will all be facing for generations.

Enough of you tard's, it's time to get busy. But that isnt going to happen and here is part of the problem.

I was asked if I would be able to voulenteer my time to go down and help with the clean up.

This is how bad this f'n mess is......They expected all of us who have the training and skills to help with this mess to simply voulenteer our time. Plus the company I work for, said they would not allow me to leave my position at this time.

Wish I could, but wife, kid and mortgage prevent me from missing more than a couple of checks at this time.

Money talks, and BP is doing what ever it takes to not spend it. And the feds havent got the ball's to demand it because big oil has bought them.

This whole mess is so fuked up, it's beyond the dark sides simple minds. Imagine how the rest of the general public must see it.......Wait, they watch the new's, what more do they need to know?

Syko Goes Yard! tellin it like it is!

here's a cut/paste from another site i found interesting


"Here's a little gem for everyone to start the day. The Ixtoc I oil spill released 3.5 million barrels into the Bay of Campeche and took 10 months to cap. The spill was the result of an oil and gas explosion on the Ixtoc I rig operated by a company called SEDCO. After a few mergers and acquisitions SEDCO now operates under a new name----Transocean"

this was back in 1979 in the gulf but on the mexican side

so? i have to ask why bp is taking all the heat when transocean had not technically handed the well over to them (transocean drills then bp pumps) and seem well versed on making a mess?

+1 on syko's post btw

I beleive she says it several times on Dogfish's video .. . . at least that is what I have been told. . . . .

underwater ploom 22 miles long by 6 miles wide reported this morning...good times.

I tell yu what, if this ever happened off the Oregon coast I would be punching anyone with a British accent. Irish, Scottish and Australians may not be safe either....

Hank,

My issue with you is that you write as though the info you posted is "the" answer, when in fact you haven't an f'n clue. It could be the best alternative, or it might be a really stupid one. Either way, you still don't have a clue. If you were a smart guy, you'd know that even copy/paste expertise if quite often worth even less than the zero you pay for it.

The smartest people I know are typically the first to admit the limitations of their knowledge and expertise. Know-it-alls are occasionally correct, but it appears to be more a matter of coincidence than design. The fact is that no one on this forum, including you, knows whether the sand berms are a great alternative or a really stupid one. Why get wrapped up in solutions when you're clueless as to their efficacy?

Sg

Hank,

OK, maybe you're not the dumb fvk you appeared to be.

Still, just because the ones calling for the berms are in LA, doesn't mean they're right. I've noticed in my experience that there is an over-abundance of dumb sh!ts, even among locals, when it comes to nearly any type of environmental management.

Desparate times may call for desparate measures, but that's no reason to drain intelligence from the equation while you're draining the swamp. Being up to your ass in alligators is going to be the least of your problems when you discover that that swamp water was also the source of your M&I water, waste management water, and possibly energy supply as well. Unless it's an immediate matter of life and death, my stock answer if you need an answer right now is, "no." The answer may change after some critical analysis.

Sg

This is only a small piece of what the enviroment is up against.

http://acp.repoweramerica.org/page/invit...0100527&v=2

This spill is bieng handled so poorly, it is beyond belief. Nobody has a clue on how to handle this, and many mistakes have allready been made. The cheapest way out has been the motto.

This is going to get much worse when all of this hits land.

I am no scientist, and my training on handling spills is limited. But if we dont start to attack this mess with a different mindset, and sense of urgency, the end result is beyond what anyone can predict.

I predict a enviromental disaster that could possibly cripple food production, the economy (like that needs another hit right now), and life as we know it.

Actually Aunty, it is no surprise. Is there anything in modern society that is allowed to respond quickly? Not much. There is concern about risk. If they put in the berm, and some resource or somebody's house, or... is damaged; somebody will sue.

Look at the Chehais basin. We know building in the floodplain is bad, we know migratory fish and dams don't get along well, we know that in order to keep I-5 open it has to be raised or protected. We know all this but to take action means somebody wins and somebody loses. Current politics do not allow for losing.

We believe that there is always a win-win solution to every problem. There isn't but as long as people sue we will be paralyzed to act.

Do some research on the Mexico spill in the Gulf back in 1979...there is one single difference between the current problem and the problem we had then...that difference being that the drillers have gained the technology to make these problems even deeper and farther from fixing.

They used the exact same techniques to "fix" it then...chemical dispersants, a "cap", and the the "top shot"...and none of it worked worth a chit then, either.

Oh, I guess there's one other difference...BP calls the cap a "top hat"...the Mexicans called it the "sombrero"...no, not kidding, you can't make stuff up as good as this.

It took ten months to fix it last time.

Why have the oil companies been given such free reign to develop technologies that allow them to make disasters three times as deep as the 70's, when they have shown over the past 50 years that they couldn't even fix the problems they were causing then?

Fish on...

Todd

Liquid Nitrogen will do the trick with less environmental impact. Book it!

It could be that American politicians are oil whores, and that any politician proposing tighter regulations for the drilling industry would have been crucified by the likes of Fox News, and.........well, you.

Just a guess.

Politicians have learned that the electorate is unwilling to pay what it costs for the various safety requirements. Those regulations add too much cost to (fill in your own item such as gasoline, house, car safety, functional floodplains, etc.).

Are we pushing any dam operator to fully mitigate for their resource damage? Are we regulating logging to the extent necessary to preserve the ecosystem? Are we willing to treat wastewater to remove all the nutrients and other human additives so that the water released is as clean as it was when diverted?

The spill is bad but how much oil have we gotten out of the gulf, so far, compared to the spill? It's all about risk, and if it saves each of us a few cents we are willing to accept that risk, until the ship hits the sand.

You're full of sh!t, Hank.

When is the last time the government proposed more rigorous oversight of ANY indistry, and you supported it?

It would be labeled a death sentence for the economy by Fox, Hannity would call Obama a socialist for wanting the government to poke its nose into private industry, and you'd have a thread up within 15 minutes parroting all their talking points.

Your track record is proven.

A piss poor guess?

Are you f'n serious?

Take it from someone who is in the industry, those bastards are bought!

And if you want to know how I come to this conclusion, I recieve emails constantly from corprate asking us to email congressman about proposed regulations and policies.

Do you actually think any of it is for the better of the enviroment?

Dam Hank, we think alot alike. For the most part I disagree with most libral thinking. But I still fish with KK and Todd, and they seem to tolerate me just fine.

You are loosing it here.

Speaking of looking like a damn fool.

I've remained quiet on this thread because I think turning an unmitigated disaster like this oil spill into a left/right political argument is about the stupidest fukking thing I've seen on "The Dark Side" to date. It's a slap in the face to the people who are actually suffering through this $hit.

There's nothing to argue about. BP caused this mess and is now polluting the property of others due to their negligence. BP and BP alone is responsible for any and all damages incured. If the costs put them out of business, so be it. They took on that risk by deciding to drill 5,000ft below the surface of the ocean. Should the Feds contribute resources to the clean up effort, BP should compensate the Feds accordingly. End of story. Now lets clean it up.

KKK as far as your self-grandised drivel is concerned regarding free markets,.......you are and always will be wrong on the issue of how a free market operates under the rule of law. The fact that you constantly equate free markets to anarcho capitalism to use as the base of your argument tells me all I need to know,......you've got nothin', and you know it. You're a washed up liberace reciting your washed up economic idealology from your better days many moons ago. You can post all the ad hominem baseless, factless, twisted garbage you please while sipping your sauce and wallowing in your self-congratulatory bubble of isolation. None of it will change the fact that everyday your philosophy is proven wrong in the real world. To add to that scores of people are waking up to this sham. You are frustrated by this and it's apparent by the ever increasing arrogance in your posts. It's a defense mechanism and it's painfully obvious. I almost feel sorry for you, almost.

Luckily enough this status quo rip off of an econmic system you advocate is on it's last leg.

Damn............................I think fence setting just left facility!!!!!!!!!!!!