Jerry, funny you dont take issue with others who use that word. Do I think he is a dumbass? No. My fault for not taking the time to find a better description.

If you want to clean up the prison yard, go ahead its a big yard. Im sort of surprised anyone needed your protection, from little ol me.

According to some... no.

i dont think you understand whats going on.

Todd,

Sustainable fisheries (which is in no way dishonest or misleading) can be accomplished using (and/or including) options other than reducing harvest and hatchery production. We are not bound by your narrow opinion to achieve solutions. "Solutions". The plural version.

How did we get there with cars Todd? We improved the engines for increased efficiency, the bodies for less resistance, made the fuel cleaner to reduce emissions, better tires, better design from top to bottom. Sure we could have reduced the number of cars, or blocked off roads, and yes it would have saved fuel or the environment. But it wouldn't have been sustainable now would it? Neither is a future dependent on reduced harvest and reduced hatchery production. Ideally, I'd like the solutions to have the same effect as reductions, and I think it's possible if we don't limit ourselves to narrow minded approaches.

Hair,

So how else would you suggest ridding the spawning grounds of hatchery fish?

Perhaps they should increase the hatchery limits in fisheries without ESA wild fish limits for sports fisherman? Maybe even NO LIMITS to sporties?? Rather than giving the excess hatchery fish to the selective Commercial fisherman.

There have been many days in my career of fishing that I cut a day way short or released bunches of hatchery fish because we had already limited the boat out...

Cut us sport fisherman loose to clean out the hatchery fish, I'm game...

Keith

(19) The term ‘‘take’’ means to harass, harm, pursue, hunt,
shoot, wound, kill, trap, capture, or collect, or to attempt to engage
in any such conduct.

I think any method tested and legalized S/C should be able to fit this criteria...Are we all ready to go there or are we still just playing little games?

i think weirs upstream as far as possible so we still have a decent amount of fish to fish over

Whats funny is that an idea or angle to get more allocation away from the commercials has now turned into a (bowel) movement.

Although wiers certainly help, they're not a fix all application. For the early fall time I see them working but when mid fall comes with the rains and in the spring with the rains, I don't see them working.....

Keith

Ive got no problem raising the sport limits. CR springer allocation of ONE? is a waste of time. But the season would probably be cut in half.

Worse yet, how would we save wild fish from gillnets. Or should Idaho ship their hatchery fish down to youngs bay?

Keith,

Funny you mention harvest as a solution. How else do you think we remove them? It'll likely be harvest, segregating hatchery fish, making hatchery fish that spawn well and don't reduce wild fitness, or cut production.

I'm on board with boaters weirs as well. They too are more likely to see a higher return benefit for every recovery dollar invested. The idea to put them in a beneficial location makes good sense. It also makes good sense to put any near zero mortality harvest method above higher mortality fisheries.

I sure don't understand what's going on with CCA --

A co-worker in Vanc got this email invite:

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Even upriver hicks know the Washington Building Industry Assocaitions long history of anti-salmon,
anti-environment, anti-conservation lobbying.

Hard to believe CCA would partner with them.... just so they get $2 per ticket.

Its actually a very simple stratgey, x number of impacts availible for remaining habitat. Convice a bunch of people that there saving the planet by giving up their share for conservation and then distribute them between other non fishing user groups..

He who has the most gold rules..

Boater favors the idea of a weir. His concept seems different than a suggestion I've made repeatedly, but it may be compatible. There already is a very good weir. It's called Bonneville Dam. Retrofit fish trapping and sorting facilities to the fish ladders, and you have a weir that is capable of live release of every single wild or unmarked fish that passes through. And hatchery fish can be sorted for any destination or disposition desired.

And Lead Bouncer, you still don't get it. On so many levels. I've explained to you before. And you still don't get it. Are my explanations deficient? Are you unwilling to understand? Or are you not capable of understanding? There's an answer somewhere.

Sg

No there isn't..................

Keith

Tribes could easily do this as this is how their shad fishery is conducted. So what would be the outcome if they did? Would lower river fisherys ramp up on the projected run.

The thing is it wouldn't even have to be done at Bonneville dam, it could be done at a dam or two higher in the CR to give everyone a chance to catch the hatchery fish and allow them back to the up to the Klickitat that they came from...

Keith

That would work, moving more of the sport allocation above Bonneville that way if the run comes in short tribes would still get their half. But I still get the feeling they just don't want to give up their impacts, with all this talk about shutting down hatcherys and more habitat improvements its hard to blame them.

There is no such animal, hatchery fish are unfit for breeding with wild stocks, no matter if their F1 broodstock of F1000 mutes.
Also there no such thing as a zero mortality harvest method.

the only thing he gets is the mail