Well, page 10 and since this thread is entitled alternative commercial fishing gear, I suppose it's time to add a few of my thoughts to that subject.

Commercial selective fishing;
1) Purse seines
A) I’m sure they wouldn’t want to fish next to sport fishers (conflict with nets around boats) as well as we wouldn’t want to fish next to them or in front of them
B) Bouy 10 to a deadline for sports above deadline to Bonny for seiners.

This keeps both fishing and away from each other.

2) Fish traps
A)We can fish around them and in front of them. I suppose I could pretend to be a goalie and anchor in front.
Here comes the fish I catch and put into the box. Fish trap DENIED.

3)Trollers
Just another boat on the water depending on how many

4) beach seines tangle nets etc.

Commercial selective gear is going to be tested and some implemented regardless of what you and I say on here. Just add or delete to the list the areas and gear type in those areas preferred and see where it ends up.

Oh this ought to be good.

I would hardly call this selective fishing idea a done deal, perhaps politicians will now get involved and tweak the concept in favor of the sport angler and our region's economy.

So one question I had....

The states are in the mode of "TESTING" the selective gear.

What happens if they find the selective gear to not be effective enough at removing hatchery fish. In other words, what happens if the selective tactics aren't successful enough?

Do they stick with gillnets?

Keith

There is more than licenses on the line. The state economy comes to mind.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00970/wdfw00970.pdf

I like collecting spread sheets. Would you be willing to share the break down of license holders in this state?

even if this selective stuff works i have not read anything about discontinuing the use of gillnets,

Frazier said the pilot study is likely just the first step in a multi-year effort to identify – and likely modify – commercial fishing gear for possible incorporation into the fishery.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/news/release.php?id=aug2809b

also,

“Commercial boats could actually catch a lot more hatchery-reared salmon if we can find new ways to reduce mortalities of protected wild fish.”

reducing mortalitys and reducing the allowable esa take is 2 diferent things.

The feds factor the gill net at 40% mortality rate on released fish.

If this years numbers comes close to last years on commercial selective gear tested, there is no reason to believe gill nets are needed let alone accepted by the fishing community. Along with the gill net 40% mortality rate is also the by catch factor.

Then there is new selective gear not tested last year in which I'm interested what mortality rate they come in at when tested this year.

LL,

If I had it, I'd send it. I'm just going on non-current reports by WDFW regarding recreational fishing distribution. Maybe it's from the USFWS 5-year surveys.

Stlhdr1,

Remember, WDFW can't eliminate or reduce gillnet fishing, cuz according to unsworn testimony, the rate of drug use and youth suicide in Wahkiakum County will significantly increase. You don't want that, do you?

Sg

The selective testing results I seen showed some low #'s of fish they caught and handled.... It was apparent there wasn't much effort in the study.

A person would think there's opportunity at some big #'s though in the right place at the right parts of the tides...

Keith

Too funny......

Keith

I think that a well positioned fish trap and a purse or beach seine in the right locations could put up some good numbers. However, the return per dollar spent won't be as high as gillnetting. Nothing beats the low operating costs of gillnetting with its fairly good catching effectiveness, which no doubt is why there is so much resistance to changing. That and of course the drug use and suicide in Wahkiakum County.

Sg

so if the new method has a release mortality rate of 10 percent and the esa take was still lets say 5 percent, how many wild esa listed fish will get saved with the new lower release mortality rate if they fish up to the 5 percent esa take amount before the season is closed ?

The idea of terminal fisheries sounds interesting. Seems like fishing in terminal areas would minimize non targeted by catch, both non clipped and other upriver fish.

WDFW is sure going nuts with an idea that as far as I can tell has never been proven as a recovery method and even the HSRG report clearly states won't recover anything but speeds up the process as new habitat is reopened..Want more wild fish take down the dam's faster..



The HSRG also concluded the hatchery and harvest reforms alone will not achieve recovery of the listed populations in this ESU—habitat improvements are also necessary. In addition, the effectiveness of habitat actions in this ESU will be greatly increased (more than doubled, under the HSRG assumptions) if they are combined with hatchery and harvest reforms

Like we'll just give up on gillnets? They dont need to fish in the river. If Oregon and washington banned commercial fishing, they would just wander north, or take the buyout. You dont think Alaska would sell more permits if we banned commercial fishing? They get 3% on the catch. The wild fish killed in the ocean are just like the dead ones in the river, only a little smaller. Thats the crazy part. These clowns go after the herring and sardines, (food source) catch fish that are not mature, catch lower 48 fish that are not mature and have to catch more, to get the same poundage. If they fish near the terminal areas, avoid and separate lower 48 fish we get more fish and they are bigger. Bigger fish, same poundage less work. Christ we mights as well just eat the fking smolts. We can all switch to snoopy rods. Are you tired of paying for fish for Alaskans to catch and sell here? We should send them a freaking bill.

So how many springers do you suppose they catch?

Im sure there is a trap here. I will buy you the scuba gear and you can follow them.

tell you what. Go trade the springer for all the other fish.

You keep the springers and they get everything else.

How many of our coho would you guess they harvest?

Typical Barney.

Idaho fish
Washington fish
Puget Sound fish

Not just Oregon.

We also raise Tule kings for BC

After further review of the 10 CR chinook stocks involved, it excludes CR springers and Snake R. summer chinooks. So I'm updating this previous post.

You can add steelhead and coho to the list of foreign commercial ocean unexploited stocks.
So from No Head Just Lead post of "Alaskans and Canadians are getting all our fish", we have fall chinook, which a good portion are of Tule stock.