What are the limits that people will go for a buck, Heres some background on the situation, so you can fully appreciate the situation. last december i was out with my wife at our local shindigger havin some drinks with friends. I was sitting inside and a friend of mine came inside and said there was some dude hasslin my wife. so i went outside and sure enough this funkin gangbanger loser is there callin her filthy names (apparently she shut him down, which made him mad). so i proceed to get between my wife and this scumsucker, and tell him to piss off. In classic douche bag fashion he immediately wants to squab, talkin about how hes gonna take me out back and beat the piss outta me. Well i say i dont want any part of it, partly because we are at a very well known bar, and the cops would be there lickity split, and partly because i know hes got about 8 of his boyfriends there with him, all of which wouldnt bat an eye at jumping in and getin some licks. So hes says one more nasty thing about my wife and i lose my temper and tell him to go funk himself. Then BANG beer bottle in the mouth, puts a hole clean through my lip, about the size of a quarter. Then i went nuts spitting blood on him, grabbed his coat and pulled it over his head and hockey chumped him. one of his boyfriends comes out and blindsides me twice almost knocking me out. Well so here comes the best part of all. I just got done with a deposition in which this lowlifes attorney tries to turn it all around on me, asking me questions such as "well isnt it true you told my client to go f himself?" or "Did you not take an aggressive posture toward my client?" "Isn't it true that you struck my client back?" essentially trying to make it look like i deserved what i got. This really chaps my hide of course i struck him back, and of course i told him to go f himself, but the attack was unprovoked. This piece of human garbage better do prison time. this is a class b felony in washington, and its his second felony assault. Why am i telling you guys you ask? Because im so sick and tired of the legal system, ive seen too many times guys like him get off or get it lowered to something ascenine. There needs to be stricter regulations for repeat offenders.

I would have just shot him.

funny you should say that, i have my CCP but my .45 was in the truck because you cant carry a pistol into bars in washington.

The really sad thing is that if that guy had enough $, he could hire a lawyer with enough "friends" in the judicial system to get him off, and possibly even successfully sue you for his injuries and emotional trauma. It seems like some measure of justice will be served here, but that piece of #### will be back on the streets picking more fights within 6 months, so it won't be the appropriate measure, in my opinion. Not to mention that it will cost the taxpayers of this state something like $40,000 to cage him up for that length of time....

OH, and it's probably a good thing that pistols aren't allowed in bars. Most likely, this attack would have sent you over the edge, and you would have ended up being the one in prison. The good news is that we would all have one less worthless piece of trash to worry about, and for that, we would all thank you.

And the world would have been left a better place

Me either. Life's too short to be putting up with sloppy or testosterone laden drunks.

Maybe you need to find a classier place to hang out... oh, wait, Walla Walla.


Disregard.

hey thats not fair, we have plenty of classy places. we just happened to at one of the less classy places that evening. anyways that dive closed up. and with a second child on the way we dont go out anymore either.

well youre taking it out context, are you sure you arent a lawyer?

well, in my defense. we were there for a birthday celebration (at the time this was the only place with a dance floor) and she didnt go outside all by herself, she went out with her friends, and all of this occured inside of five minutes, and i was on the way to the hospital in ten.

Shhh....let evolution run it's course.

If you are going to get into that type of stuff, they'd better not know your name or how to find you. Lawyers work for their clients and, unfortunately for you, it sounds like that gangbager loser is smart enough to have gotten a good one.

No, that doesn't make it "right" but it is what it is.

well im not worried about it, its a cut and dry case of assault with more than enough witnesses on my end to put him in jail.

auntym, you hit the nail right on the head, i definitely am the type that learns the hard way. and what if i wanna whine here huh? you guys are the only ones that will listen

+1 Kaiser D. I (one of them g'damn lawyers) spent a couple of hours yesterday tracking down the blog posts of someone who sued my client. Its amazing what people post on the web without thinking.

its a forum, this stuff doesnt REALLY bother me. i dont lay awake at night cuz stlhd said sumthin nasty to me. its all fun and games.

"Of course, if your hide is thick, like mine"

She's impervious to whips.

Mowsley, first you talk about wishing things were different so you could kill people, yeah we know you were joking, and then about being assaulted. I'm seeing a pattern here.

the reason i wrote about it at all was so that people could get an idea of what kind of a situation i was dealing with. The standing point of my post was my disgust for the flawed justice system this country carries.

FWIW seems like the defense attorney was probably just doing his job. Same as me writing a report, or you sending someone an insurance quote. He has to act that way, accusatory to you, because he is paid to do so.

Seedy bars can be as much fun as classy bars, and I don't think you need to defend your choice in entertainment. There are just as many guys who will hit on your wife at both types.

I also think you acted correctly. Telling someone to f%ck off is one of life's simple pleasures, and everyone should experience this type of thing in-person, not just on the internet.

Now that you have kids, you probably will have to act like more of a pu$$y and that sucks, but now you have to put your family first, and that means keeping yourself out of the hospital, jail, etc. So going forward you will know not to escalate the issues, even if you really want to throw down with the punk (cause it would be fun), its not prudent.

How exactly is our justice system 'flawed' mowsley? Please be specific if you are able.

It is a defense attorney's job to represent their clients to the best of their abilities.

If you have the facts and witnesses on your side... the prosecutor should have no problem obtaining a conviction.

Let's turn it around for the sake of argument though. Let's say you were wrongly accused of committing assault or burglary or some other similar crime.

Wouldn't you want your defense attorney to use every tactic at his/her disposal?

really? well firstly this guy wasnt wrongly accused, he was rightly accused. secondly, when a justice system largely revolving around profit (defense attorneys, civil suit attorneys etc.) creates a situation where criminals go un/under-punished because they have the money to hire that "good" of a lawyer that is a flaw in the justice system. This is a repeat offender, i did some research, the first time this happened, the kid got off because the other kid he was intimidating and belittling pushed him first. Him and another guy beat this kid so bad he was in the hospital for a month. Now do you think that isnt flawed? or is that justified?

well i dont know about MORE of a pu$$y but i get what youre saying. all in all you and M are right. we shouldnt have been there, and it shouldve never occured. But it just really infuriates me that theres a chance he may go under punished for the crime he commited. what 30 days in jail? BFD i have a nice nasty scar i get to look at everyday.

Concealed means concealed.

ok...

Dear Mr. Mosey-

I told you AuntyM had cookies and milk waiting for you. I would commend you on doing a nice job starting out on here, but that would be out of character for me, so try to step up your game.

^ That is a great post with a a lot of truth to it.

Mowsley... here's the thing that seems to be passin' ya by.

Our legal system is based on the principle of due process and the presumption of innocence. Is it perfect? No. Are there better ones out there? I don't believe so.

If the facts and evidence against him are as clear as you say they are... and the county prosecutor is halfway competent... he'll be convicted.

You might not like our legal system... or even really understand how it works... but that doesn't mean that it is a failed system and you're just gonna have to get used to that fact.

That post of RR's is spot on.

We do have a flawed justice system, though. I just read an article on misconduct by federal prosecutors, and it made me sick. IMO, prosectutorial misconduct is on the same level as treason, and should be treated the same.

Anyway, sorry about your run-in mowsley.

factually, i didnt make the arguement that our legal system is failed. Flawed and failed are two VERY different things. He deserves due process, yes. And he will get it. But that doesnt change the fact that with enough money criminals can and do go un/underpunished. I will see justice served i have no doubt about that. But dont you see how it might upset me a little bit being grilled like i was the defendant? what if you had been in my shoes in the deposition? You'd be singing a different tune. and yes im sure you can say "well i wouldve never been in a situation like that" but just think about if you had, how would that have made you feel.

yea, me too. thanks for the sentiment tho. shouldnt have been there. bad judgement call on my part.

That's the thing, AM. This article detailed several cases of gross misconduct by federal prosecutors resulting in several innocent people being convited and serving years in prison. Those prosecutors were hardly censured, and only one was even temporarily suspended from practicing law. IMO, the whole lot of them should have been executed. To abuse the power they wield is on the same grounds as treason, and there is nothing more intolerable and grievous than innocent people being imprisoned.

My bet is that after the first execution, the misconduct would cease altogether.

Sorry for the thread hijack, mowsley.

I agree on the system being flawed and imperfect... and I agree that the defense attorney could very well be a bloodsucking scumbag.

I'm just sayin' that it's what we got and all things considered... it's probably the best one out there.

agreed salt.

mowsley--- Your big mistake was thinking that a hearty [censored] you works with thugs...hence the bottle to the chops routine. Ya' gotta' be ready to deliver the first shot and not stop. How many disrespects to your wife is enough before you give'm the classic mowsley..... "you're dogfoodbitch".... affect?

I feel for ya'... but ya' gotta' smash the m'fr next time...if'n ya' don't you'll get another Red Stripe to the kisser.

It can't be considered a blindside when you're hit just south of the center of the blinkers.

the blindside came from his buddy, i was focused on the other guy and didnt see him

Have you seen the movie "Law Abiding Citizen"?

Really?????? OJ Simpson ring a bell? Lindsay Lohan vs. E-trade, a large number of custody cases in the US. We could all name several. We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system.