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#617494 - 08/22/10 02:57 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Fast and Furious]
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Then there is the new math 40% gillnets + 18.5% tanglenet =25% mortality rate instead of 29.25%.
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#617497 - 08/22/10 03:11 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Lucky Louie]
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Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Then there is the new math 40% gillnets + 18.5% tanglenet =25% mortality rate instead of 29.25%.


rofl

Hey careful, that could pop up on ifish. Their commercial members have no shame and they dont hide.

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#617502 - 08/22/10 04:14 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Illahee]
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Originally Posted By: freespool
Oregon used the best available science, which says barbless is not the deciding factor in mortality, but rather where the hook penetrates the fish.


Simple common sense.....

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#617506 - 08/22/10 04:27 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Originally Posted By: Todd
Just watch the gnashing of teeth by sporties, who widely decry all user groups but themselves, when someone even mentions perhaps going to barbless hooks, much less no bait. The hypocrisy is so thick you could cut it with a knife...but it would take a big knife to get the job done.

Fish on...

Todd


Hypocrisy is continuing to rail against selective harvest while continuing to kill wild steelhead by catching and releasing them to die, all while decrying that person whom decides to exercise his lawful right to harvest one wild steelhead a year.

Jesus you must get dizzy spinning your head around trying to see which side of your mouth your speaking out of!

Fishy


The difference is easy to see for those who wish to, rather than just b!tch and moan...

I acknowledge what should be an obvious fact...fishing is a blood sport, and fish die when we fish for them, even the ones that we are not intending to kill.

Show the LCR spring Chinook sportfishers the facts...that they kill far more wild ESA springers every single year than the commercial guys ever do, and not only do they do so, but they spend all winter arguing in front of the Commissions to have the right to do so...and you'll hear whining about how they never kill fish, how it's all the nets' fault, and how I must love gillnets.

Hypocrisy is doing something you have said you wouldn't, not doing exactly what you said you would do, even if some dumbass can't or won't tell the difference.

Fish on...

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#617514 - 08/22/10 05:25 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd




The difference is easy to see for those who wish to, rather than just b!tch and moan...

I acknowledge what should be an obvious fact...fishing is a blood sport, and fish die when we fish for them, even the ones that we are not intending to kill.

Show the LCR spring Chinook sportfishers the facts...that they kill far more wild ESA springers every single year than the commercial guys ever do, and not only do they do so, but they spend all winter arguing in front of the Commissions to have the right to do so...and you'll hear whining about how they never kill fish, how it's all the nets' fault, and how I must love gillnets.


Hypocrisy is doing something you have said you wouldn't, not doing exactly what you said you would do, even if some dumbass can't or won't tell the difference.

Fish on...

Todd


Cat's out of the bag boys and girls... At least Todd is capable of saying it....

I couldn't agree more...

This whole crew of CCA and all is throwing boomerangs... All this pushing and shoving is about to bite everyone right in the ass..... Backing the sportsfisherman right into a corner....

Keith doh

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#617522 - 08/22/10 05:40 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: stlhdr1]
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Toddisms:

Hypocrisy is doing something you have said you wouldn't, not doing exactly what you said you would do, even if some dumbass can't or won't tell the difference.

Pot meet kettle.

Hypocrisy meet Todd.
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#617523 - 08/22/10 05:52 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Pot, meet someone who can't tell the difference between an apple and an orange...hopefully he's not a migrant worker smile

Fish on...

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#617529 - 08/22/10 07:11 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Lucky Louie]
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Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie


That's why they are testing commercial selective gear to bring the 40% mortality rate down of gill nets. Trying to help eliminate some of the waste of drop out and by catch along the way as well, while trying to keep hatchery off spawning beds.



i still have not read where they are giving up on gillnets and making them illegal, have you ?, infact, it looks like they want to have a study done on net drop out by the year 2050

http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00036/draft_framework_20090131.pdf

Pre-season and post-season estimates of fishery-related
mortalities are accurate and complete for all stocks in all
fisheries, accounting for:
- landed catch
- by-catch (discard mortality)
- catch and release
- net drop out
- selective fisheries

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#617533 - 08/22/10 08:19 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: SBD]
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Originally Posted By: SBD
What are the goal's your trying to achieve Doc Rick?


SBD,

That is a very good, and basic and difficult question.

My original intent was to see what could be done if we started all over and could separate the ESA requirements out and away from harvest levels, and how that would be possible, if at all. I don't see how, and if it were easy, we would have done it.

Personally, I would like to allow native fish to spawn and make lots of babies. I would like to either move all commercial fishing out of the river or at least to selective methods or terminal areas. I would like to see the carrying capacity of the rivers increase. I would like to see us move away, somehow, from the death spiral of maximum sustainable yield. I would like to be able to continue some vestige of my hunter/gatherer genetic drive and catch and eat fish.

The problem is that population, politics, and honest differences of opinion all intrude on my perfect world 8^D

I think we will either figure this all out, or not. If, and when, a good solution develops it will later appear as obvious to all concerned. Just right now it is not clear.

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#617535 - 08/22/10 08:22 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Todd]
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...is there a problem with barbless hooks and no bait...? I can't remember the last time I rigged up a herring.

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#617536 - 08/22/10 08:22 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: boater]
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Originally Posted By: boater
Originally Posted By: Lead Bouncer


You have a defeated attitude and expect to get screwed.



thats because we are going to get screwed.
rofl Too funny. Maybe true, but still funny.

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#617538 - 08/22/10 08:23 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: boater]
Lucky Louie Offline
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It all depends how serious WDFW is when they are tasked to reduce hatchery fish from spawning beds. Gill net mortality of 40 % is going to tag along. If 40% works for their goals---- why test other methods?
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#617543 - 08/22/10 08:44 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Fast and Furious]
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Originally Posted By: Lead Bouncer
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Then there is the new math 40% gillnets + 18.5% tanglenet =25% mortality rate instead of 29.25%.


rofl

Hey careful, that could pop up on ifish. Their commercial members have no shame and they dont hide.


Are you implying there are commercial individuals pretending to be sport people on PP . I'm shocked eek2

That would be lower than a prokaryotic cell.


Edited by Lucky Louie (08/22/10 08:46 PM)
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#617544 - 08/22/10 08:46 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: boater]
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Ya, like I'll be alive then. I dont give flying fk what their jobs program is. You realize all people working there would be retired by then? I guarantee the wild fish lawsuit will happen long before that. Worse yet is the Marine protection areas they already want. It only takes 10 years to build a nuke plant and the dams would be unnecessary. Gas fired electrical plants are common and will become more common, because we have so much natural gas in the lower 48, AK and Canada that is just waiting to be tapped. Natural gas prices are not priced like Oil is. We set our own in the US. They are low.
SBD can bitch all he wants about energy companies, but Centrailia is currently running a coalfired electric plant and the soot is covering parts of Mt Rainier. So do we get acid rain too?

Go ahead and stick with the diatribe put out by a few managers.
So, whether you like it or not, you have few options and the dept does not either. They no longer run the show by themselves and they told me so.

We have more power than the dept does, as long as we exercise it.

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#617547 - 08/22/10 09:10 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Lucky Louie]
Doctor Rick Offline
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Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Originally Posted By: Lead Bouncer
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Then there is the new math 40% gillnets + 18.5% tanglenet =25% mortality rate instead of 29.25%.


rofl

Hey careful, that could pop up on ifish. Their commercial members have no shame and they dont hide.


Are you implying there are commercial individuals pretending to be sport people on PP . I'm shocked eek2

That would be lower than a prokaryotic cell.


So, what do you have against prokaryotes? You gotta problem?

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#617550 - 08/22/10 09:26 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: bushbear]
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Loc: Vancouver, WA
Originally Posted By: bushbear
...is there a problem with barbless hooks and no bait...? I can't remember the last time I rigged up a herring.


Yeah.... I see a problem with it... Personally I wouldn't be terribly excited about giving up bait... I enjoy my dozen or more springers I put away every year. Great table fare...

Most Canadian streams have no bait rules yet their runs are collapsing too....

I see hook size restrictions before I see bait or barb restrictions....

Keith thumbs
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#617553 - 08/22/10 09:42 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Fast and Furious]
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Registered: 07/01/09
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Loc: common sense ave.
Originally Posted By: Lead Bouncer


you have few options and the dept does not either.



i have alot of options, i dont have to fish in washington for salmon there are plenty of other places

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#617567 - 08/22/10 11:15 PM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: stlhdr1]
Lucky Louie Offline
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Registered: 11/30/09
Posts: 2267
Originally Posted By: stlhdr1
Originally Posted By: Todd




The difference is easy to see for those who wish to, rather than just b!tch and moan...

I acknowledge what should be an obvious fact...fishing is a blood sport, and fish die when we fish for them, even the ones that we are not intending to kill.

Show the LCR spring Chinook sportfishers the facts...that they kill far more wild ESA springers every single year than the commercial guys ever do, and not only do they do so, but they spend all winter arguing in front of the Commissions to have the right to do so...and you'll hear whining about how they never kill fish, how it's all the nets' fault, and how I must love gillnets.


Hypocrisy is doing something you have said you wouldn't, not doing exactly what you said you would do, even if some dumbass can't or won't tell the difference.

Fish on...

Todd


Cat's out of the bag boys and girls... At least Todd is capable of saying it....

I couldn't agree more...

This whole crew of CCA and all is throwing boomerangs... All this pushing and shoving is about to bite everyone right in the ass..... Backing the sportsfisherman right into a corner....

Keith doh



Todd,
That is what I like about the commission. A place where both commercial and sports can be heard.
One of the reasons sports backed Ref. 45. that was passed by WA voters was for a voice in the process. It took awhile, but it is starting to work as intended and I’m glad to see it happen.

Whining goes both ways. The commercials crabbers were in Olympia complaining a couple of weeks ago that the sports take of 6% VS. 94% for commercial crabbers in the state of WA should be kept as status quo because apparently 6% is such a big number and it could be a hardship on their already part time job in the PS area.

The commercials have had their way for quite some time and sports are learning the game.

So the sports call that whine of the commercials and raise the pot with another concern.

Keith,

Yes the cat is out of the bag.

CCA has came to WA and OR and is working not only on CR problems but problems that concern other areas of both states as well.

Again, I’d been looking for a Org. that could fit the billing and I’m very glad to see CCA come to my town in WA.
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#617585 - 08/23/10 12:53 AM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Lucky Louie]
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Registered: 07/01/09
Posts: 1597
Loc: common sense ave.
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie


The commercials have had their way for quite some time and sports are learning the game.



you mean learning how to give the commercials more fish ??, i`m not included in that group of sports fisherman.

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#617591 - 08/23/10 01:24 AM Re: Alternative commercial fishing gears to be tested [Re: Lucky Louie]
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Registered: 01/26/00
Posts: 6312
Loc: Vancouver, WA
Originally Posted By: Lucky Louie
Originally Posted By: stlhdr1
Originally Posted By: Todd




The difference is easy to see for those who wish to, rather than just b!tch and moan...

I acknowledge what should be an obvious fact...fishing is a blood sport, and fish die when we fish for them, even the ones that we are not intending to kill.

Show the LCR spring Chinook sportfishers the facts...that they kill far more wild ESA springers every single year than the commercial guys ever do, and not only do they do so, but they spend all winter arguing in front of the Commissions to have the right to do so...and you'll hear whining about how they never kill fish, how it's all the nets' fault, and how I must love gillnets.


Hypocrisy is doing something you have said you wouldn't, not doing exactly what you said you would do, even if some dumbass can't or won't tell the difference.

Fish on...

Todd


Cat's out of the bag boys and girls... At least Todd is capable of saying it....

I couldn't agree more...

This whole crew of CCA and all is throwing boomerangs... All this pushing and shoving is about to bite everyone right in the ass..... Backing the sportsfisherman right into a corner....

Keith doh



Todd,
That is what I like about the commission. A place where both commercial and sports can be heard.
One of the reasons sports backed Ref. 45. that was passed by WA voters was for a voice in the process. It took awhile, but it is starting to work as intended and I’m glad to see it happen.

Whining goes both ways. The commercials crabbers were in Olympia complaining a couple of weeks ago that the sports take of 6% VS. 94% for commercial crabbers in the state of WA should be kept as status quo because apparently 6% is such a big number and it could be a hardship on their already part time job in the PS area.

The commercials have had their way for quite some time and sports are learning the game.

So the sports call that whine of the commercials and raise the pot with another concern.

Keith,

Yes the cat is out of the bag.

CCA has came to WA and OR and is working not only on CR problems but problems that concern other areas of both states as well.

Again, I’d been looking for a Org. that could fit the billing and I’m very glad to see CCA come to my town in WA.


I understand CCA and it the group has potential in the right places.... CR is a little to big for them.... I thought the original game plan and statement from the CCA was to rid the CR of gillnets?? Now we're headed down a road of selective commercial fishing and pretty much giving the commercials more of the sporties hatchery fish...

I'll pass on their bunk ideas for the CR.... Is it too late for them to head back to Texas?

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