Laugh all you want...

We don't have tribal harvest on the rivers I speak of for steelhead or salmon. We don't have any harvest except the incidental kill with the nets and as I stated earlier, that's not much.

The Lewis River Bright's (Fall fish) have withstood extreme harvest through the 90's and early 2000's. They missed escapement for one year and it has been shut down since. Escapement is set at 6600 fish, this years return was predicted at 12,000. 2009's run was predicted at roughly 10,000 and the run came in right about that... Plenty of room for harvest, but groups stand in the way of letting us at those fish.

Again, plenty of harvest on these fish and I mean plenty over the years. We've more than took our share as well as the netters in the LCR. But the run is still healthy. Again, no HATCHERY fish in that system... Interesting isn't it?

Keith

I'm not sure you know much about fishing in general let alone what rivers get what for returns... Might help if you get out a bit before you start running your mouth.

Keith

Its sound like you dont want hatchery fish. Selective harvest is only going enable hatchery production. Therefore you dont want selective harvest. That could fit the agenda of a few other people.

Am I close or should I hit the river and try again?

No, what I'm saying is it doesn't matter what your group (CCA) does in the LCR. Even if "selective" harvest was implemented it won't do [censored] except take hatchery fish from the sportsman for the time being. Sooner than later you'll realize that hatchery fish are the problem and they will slowly be taken away. Sucks but true... So let us harvest on the wild populations that can sustain it... CR SUMMER KINGS, LEWIS RIVER BRIGHTS.... Ironically you're group has supported stopping this...

You ever actually meet Gary Loomis? He's a much different guy now than he was in his younger years... He's all about protecting the wild fish and those fall kings are his pet fish...

Keith

Freespool,

They still are saying that it's harvest. So yes, it sounds familiar. And this thread is familiar in its inanity.

Sg

SG the thread was interesting until the girls got into a cat fight!

has anyone listened to item 3 ?

http://www.wdfw.wa.gov/commission/meetings/2010/12/audio_dec0410.html

Keith were the dorsal fin's about a 1/2" tall? The reason I'm asking is I caught a couple of summer runs back in Sept. that were Idaho bound that have the nick name "stubbies". The Indians don't clip their Adipose fin's. Sucked releasing those brutes.

Just curious.

Mf

I was actually speaking of the summer kings, but have seen a lot of that with the summer steelhead. Those dorsals get the hatchery rash when they're smolt...

Keith

I don't fish summer kings, and I just was curious if the sk's "hatchery rash" is similar to the summer steelhead. Wondered if the sk's & ss are from the same tribe, by chance.

Thanks

Mf

Definition of INANITY. 1: the quality or state of being inane: as a: lack of substance : emptiness b: vapid, pointless, or fatuous character : shallowness

Sg:

Way to go......had to use my resourses to look up another word.....Thanks....

Kinda wish we could start 2011.....with this "thead being shut down".

so you dont think this issue should be a concern to sportfisherman ??

Boater,

I doubt it. The issue should be of concern to most. However these threads always go sideways with posts that are sarcastic to idiotic, like yours, posts in response to posts 6 or 12 posts earlier without referencing them, posts that just lob fuel on a fire with no constructive or informative intent whatever, like many of yours. You seem to think it's an important subject, and you contribute unproductive posts endlessly, so I have to conclude you're really only here for the perverse entertainment with no intent toward constructive discussion. I guess another possibility is that you're the idiot that some posters call you.

Sg

What ya think???????
















Have a good New Year............

a typical response from a non-thinking cca member

Most folks on here would agree that the tribes are entitled and will receive 50% of the Selective live capture additional harvest windfall that gill nets can’t catch due to the 2% incidental impact cap and the high mortality of gill nets.
When the allocation balance of commercial and sport takes place the tribes will receive their 50% according to US VS Oregon management plan and that will leave a savings of around ½ of the ESA listed normally killed in gill nets to continue their swim upriver when selective live capture gear is implemented.
Todd has said it can’t happen in a layered generalization oratorical way without any substantial facts other than it just can’t happen. Well I think you are just as WRONG today as you have been for over the past year.

You and your followers have continuously bashed people and organizations over this subject for over a year due to the inability to do the homework letting ignorance fuel the continuous prejudices about the new kid on the block.

I suggest that the highly contested---” gill net VS selective live capture gear equals no ESA listed saving” is incorrect and that 50 % ESA listed can be saved by using the new selective capture gear.

Myth busted.

L Louie,

Just because you suggest something, and include your reasoning, doesn't equal myth busting. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. The legal standard for persuasion in arguments or debate of this sort is clear, cogent, and convincing evidence. And it's generally missing from 99% of the posts in these on-going threads.

Sg

And a typical unconstructive and useless post by Boater. Hell, I'm even on your side in this, you idiot!

Sg

one of the guiding principals for the wdfw is the new Hatchery and Fishery Reform policy http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/policies/c3619.html, one of the guiding principals in that is the 21st Century Salmon and Steelhead Initiative http://wdfw.wa.gov/publications/00036/draft_framework_20090131.pdf, now, for some unknown reason your thinking that gillnets are going away and we are going to a total new commercial harvest method and i`d have to ask "where did you wish you heard that" ?, i`d suggest that you ask who ever it was that told you that why the 21st century initiative calls for having a net drop out study done by the year 2040 is there that much drop out in purse seines or beach seines ?, plus, do you realy think the non-tribal commercials are going to give up harvesting upriver brights ??, i dont.