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#635937 - 11/17/10 10:54 AM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Reading your sh!t is nauseating,


Pot, meet Kettle.
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#635939 - 11/17/10 11:01 AM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: fish4brains]
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This is why nothing ever gets fixed, what were seeing here is exactly the same in Washington DC.
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#635940 - 11/17/10 11:07 AM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: Rivrguy]
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Originally Posted By: Rivrguy
...statement implying that doctors or the medical community keep someone alive just to rake in money is so far past reality...
Yeah, the instances of doctors doing pro bono work to keep someone alive are overwhelming.

Or not.
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#635949 - 11/17/10 11:34 AM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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Google Dr's without borders, My dentist goes to the poorest countries in the world to fix peoples dental problem's (local as well)he pays for it 100% on his own, retired to do it full time. His home is worth maybe $250k, no boats , fancy vacations or even fishing trips.
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#635950 - 11/17/10 11:34 AM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/60minutes/main5711689.shtml


He says modern medicine has become so good at keeping the terminally ill alive by treating the complications of underlying disease that the inevitable process of dying has become much harder and is often prolonged unnecessarily.






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#635969 - 11/17/10 12:24 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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Not hard to find Aunty there's about a billion pages on the subject out there, and were not talking about Doctor's treating non terminal patients just the last 20 or so days.
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#635977 - 11/17/10 12:45 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: SBD]
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Now that is a direct hit. Cancer / cemo sicker than hell from the treatment, hair all gone, can not do anything because of nausea, and you live 3 / 4 / 5 / months more. It is not living it is existing for the hope you will be the 1 in 10000 that it rolls back the disease.

Medicine offers hope to those who are ill. Many times things can be fixed or the disease controlled but when you get to 1 in 10000 and the cost is 50k for each month of life that is measured in months, then that is a false hope. We all are going to be terminally ill sooner or later but there just has to be a better way to approach ones own death.


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#635993 - 11/17/10 02:11 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
These same docs went to Haiti, pro bono ...
So the exception becomes the norm to make it all better?
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#636020 - 11/17/10 03:48 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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Already did, still found that it's a significant minority. But you go ahead and continue to be their water-carryin' ball washer.
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#636032 - 11/17/10 04:33 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: goharley]
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Originally Posted By: goharley
Already did, still found that it's a significant minority. But you go ahead and continue to be their water-carryin' ball washer.


GoHarley... Are you be a skeptic on Global Warming? Just curious if your "significant minority" arguments flip willy nilly depending on what FOX news tells you.
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#636045 - 11/17/10 06:05 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: IrishRogue]
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No. Although I believe Man did not create global climate change, per se, Man is signifcantly exacerbating the problem, which is of a great concern to our existence, IMHO.

My earlier argument is: simply because a relatively small minority of American doctors provide pro bono medical care to certain regions of the world, does not make the entire collective of American doctors a faction of altruism. American doctors, for the most part, are motivated primarily by money, not benevolence. The exception does not make the norm.

Fox news is an oxymoron.
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#636067 - 11/17/10 08:04 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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Compared to what he makes in the army they might well be..
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#636068 - 11/17/10 08:07 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: SBD]
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#636085 - 11/17/10 09:24 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: SBD]
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Sure, Hank, you keep carryin' their water. But until you can provide some empirical evidence to refute my assertion that the vast majority of American doctors are motivated by money rather than benevolence, I'll consider the lack of as support for my affirmation.

And I hope you remember you're little diatribe above next time you feel like pontificating on global climate change, or the national debt, or taxes. Unless you can show that you've worked closely with numerous climate scientists, have a history of close working relations with nobel laureate economists, or had a hand in writing a public budget.
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#636092 - 11/17/10 09:47 PM Re: Budget Puzzle: fix the Budget-Interactive-NY Times [Re: ]
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Go back and read my post again. Pay particular attention to that part about lack of empirical evidence. Your handful of local doctors is what percentage of all American doctors?
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