#645679 - 12/18/10 04:19 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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In the first week or so after the 9/11 attacks, there were a whole bunch of reports that had eyewitnesses describing the Pentagon attack, and the crashing of the plane in Pennsylvania...and none of those reports or eyewitnesses corroborated the "official" story; most of them directly contradicted the official stories, as a matter of fact.
Then they just flat out stopped, and no one in the media has asked those questions since...various outlets were interviewing the witnesses, whose stories were consistent in many ways, they were taking pictures of the sites (the Pentagon and the field in PA)...and at the same time all of the outlets stopped, just stopped cold in doing anything that could contradict the official story. No explanations, no nothing about the witnesses or stories, the pictures disappeared...just over, at once, no followup.
I'm sure we'll never know exactly what happened behind the scenes that day, but I've been pretty convinced that something very fishy happened at least at the Pentagon, and I've read stuff from several eye witnesses that say the plane in PA was shot down, too...something seems fishy there as well.
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#645759 - 12/18/10 07:32 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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What are you trying to say? Conspiracy? What would be gained?
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#645764 - 12/18/10 07:41 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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Not trying to say anything than what I did say...there are a handful of witnesses in PA that all saw the same thing, or variations on a theme...a fighter jet in the air as the plane came down. I'm not assuming they're correct any more than I just accept the official story at face value.
There are also witnesses that were at the Pentagon who emphatically said there was no plane. Again, you can make all the guesses about that you want...I'm not.
I'm just pointing out that in the immediate aftermat of 9/11 there was coverage of these witnesses and their stories, and many pictures of what was clearly not a plane crash at the Pentagon...and on day 7 or 8 the coverage flat out stopped on a dime, and no one in the media ever said a word about it again...they didn't even acknowledge that they were covering it just a few days before.
The amount of things that could be gained by conspiracies can all come down to one...money, tons of it, buttloads of it, shiploads of it.
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#645773 - 12/18/10 08:07 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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April Fool
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I think the coverage stopped because of the magnitude of the Twin towers collapsing and thousands dying.
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#645776 - 12/18/10 08:08 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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I think the coverage stopped because of the magnitude of the Twin towers collapsing and thousands dying. It's weird that it started the day the Towers fell, and ended the day the Gubmint told everyone what happened, and who did it. Fish on... Todd
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#645794 - 12/18/10 08:55 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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What's to be gained? A mass panic fear state in the populous resulting in an unnecessary oil war in Iraq worth loads and loads cashola, that's what.
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#645798 - 12/18/10 09:16 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Village Idiot
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Oil war? When did we declare war on Canada? More of the oil we import comes from Canada than any other country. http://www.gravmag.com/imports.shtml
Edited by bait dunker (12/18/10 09:19 PM)
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#645805 - 12/18/10 09:50 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Stratigically we should be using more of our own oil, but that's a different subject.
Oil security seems further down the list on reasons to be in the middle east. To think the entire war is just to give the military a blank check, and secure our oil interests in Iraq is just plain silly. The abundant conspiracy theorists will likely never be convinced however.
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#645816 - 12/18/10 10:07 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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There's a ton more money involved in the ME wars than there ever will be in oil, it's just one of the perqs of being in on the ground floor.
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#645842 - 12/18/10 11:47 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Village Idiot
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There's your problem right there.
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#645845 - 12/18/10 11:48 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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What I'm saying is that many of the beneficiaries of the war don't get the oil, they get our tax dollars...and they get plenty. Valuing the oil is one thing...getting your hands on it and making a profit from it is quite another.
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#645850 - 12/19/10 12:33 AM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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War on terror a fraud?, short answer.................Yes.
All good points Todd.
I'll add,..... that if Hanjour was really the pilot who successfully executed the dive necessary to crash a Boeing 757-223 into the Pentagon at 500 knots without so much as skimming the front lawn,
,...............then I'll eat one of my own turds.
Retired commercial airline pilots as family and friends who have examined the evidence have personally told me the manuever explained by the 9/11 commission report is physically impossible, for any pilot in that aircraft.
Ventura may not be a few sandwiches short of a picnic but he makes some salient points.
If all this Pentagon 9/11 conspiracy stuff is total BS, then why not shut up all the loons and release the footage taken by the other 85 security cameras that day?,...........and don't tell me it's to protect "national security".
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#645863 - 12/19/10 01:04 AM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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Hank, I'm sure you noted that on the right side of that vid on youtube that there are about 50 more, all on the other side of the subject?
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#645878 - 12/19/10 01:50 AM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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Let's don't  ...unless you want me to post all the Earthquake Warning vidz again! Fish on... Todd
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#645887 - 12/19/10 03:45 AM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Stratigically we should be using more of our own oil, but that's a different subject.
Oil security seems further down the list on reasons to be in the middle east. To think the entire war is just to give the military a blank check, and secure our oil interests in Iraq is just plain silly. 1st Point: You misspelled "Strategically" you and G.W. should hang and and discuss your plan for Strategery! High five. 2nd Point: You're absolutely right, it wasn't all about oil and tax interests, it was about Weapons of Mass Destruction!! .........sure am glad we found all of those, that was a close one.
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#645900 - 12/19/10 08:22 AM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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#645953 - 12/19/10 01:53 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dear lord BD, arguing just to argue. Pull your head out.
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#645970 - 12/19/10 02:56 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Know a guy personally who was stationed at Langley AFB on 9/11. He told me himself, even BEFORE Rumsfeld phukked up and let it slip during a news conference, that he was there when the F-15's that shot down flight 93 were scrambled and then returned with empty missile carriages. The thing about Flight 93-- The "Phone Calls" informing the passengers... Ever try to use a cell at 30,000 feet? There's no fuggin signal. Even flying a Cessna, I lose signal at about 2500 feet. "Let's Roll" -- It's like they hired a B Movie writer to come up with that. How the fvck could they have known what conversations occurred on that plane? They couldn't. The black box recorders would have only recorded what went through the head sets, that is, if they survived the impact at all. I want to know-- Why have the black box recordings never been released? Why were no black boxes ever recovered? Why was there no debris field at the pentagon? What flight was that, and who was on it?
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#646008 - 12/19/10 05:04 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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You know what I want to know.... WTF happened to building 7? Why did that collapse after receiving no serious damage whatsoever and how is it even RELATED to the planes?
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#646325 - 12/20/10 01:16 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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My opinion of the War on Terror is that it is, in some definition, a fraud. Without getting into 9/11 (collapse of WTC7 is easily the most questionable single event from that whole episode), it is a fraud in the sense that we are spending money to accomplish nothing. It is a fraud when you pay for something and get practically nothing. As I've stated many times before, we have too many soft targets in the U.S. to truly protect them. This is because we are fortunate enough to live in a rich country, with (comparatively) solid infrastructure. Trains, subways, ports, condos, skyscrapers, etc.
We can't protect it all. Not even close. At least not without driving us to bankruptcy. So, instead, we decide to dump BILLIONS into airport safety which, even at this point, is basically futile. The TSA's own self-tests of attempting to get weapons through checkpoints result in over 70% of weapons getting through undetected. Some airports have 100% failure rates. And all of this dumping of money stems from an event where people with 1 inch razor blades took over a plane. Something that will NEVER be allowed to happen again.
I've gone back in the PP threads and tried to find all of the 9/11 posts but the search feature doesn't seem to work very well that far back. I'd love to see the old "terror" and "9/11" posts from Sept - Dec 2001 and review what everyone was saying. I remember what I typed and I stand by it. I'm curious to see how many people would re-read what they posted and still agree with it? From what I remember, there were plenty of hotheads that were looking for a country to bomb. How did that go?
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#646337 - 12/20/10 01:34 PM
Re: War On Terror a fraud?
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Dick Nipples
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The contractors who are doing virtually everything over there at incredibly inflated prices are getting everything they wanted, and more.
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