These guys seems to think so.

The War On Terror Is a Fraud

Jesse Ventura- 911 Pentagon Attack(Full Episode)

The War on Terror is just a repackaging of the Cold War and The Dirty Little Wars rolled into one.

It's essentially just a blank check for the CIA, the Pentagon, and the guys that make toys for them.

What kills me, are those boats that follow our State ferries around...what a joke. They are useless and to me serve no purpose.

In the first week or so after the 9/11 attacks, there were a whole bunch of reports that had eyewitnesses describing the Pentagon attack, and the crashing of the plane in Pennsylvania...and none of those reports or eyewitnesses corroborated the "official" story; most of them directly contradicted the official stories, as a matter of fact.

Then they just flat out stopped, and no one in the media has asked those questions since...various outlets were interviewing the witnesses, whose stories were consistent in many ways, they were taking pictures of the sites (the Pentagon and the field in PA)...and at the same time all of the outlets stopped, just stopped cold in doing anything that could contradict the official story. No explanations, no nothing about the witnesses or stories, the pictures disappeared...just over, at once, no followup.

I'm sure we'll never know exactly what happened behind the scenes that day, but I've been pretty convinced that something very fishy happened at least at the Pentagon, and I've read stuff from several eye witnesses that say the plane in PA was shot down, too...something seems fishy there as well.

Fish on...

Todd

What are you trying to say? Conspiracy? What would be gained?

Not trying to say anything than what I did say...there are a handful of witnesses in PA that all saw the same thing, or variations on a theme...a fighter jet in the air as the plane came down. I'm not assuming they're correct any more than I just accept the official story at face value.

There are also witnesses that were at the Pentagon who emphatically said there was no plane. Again, you can make all the guesses about that you want...I'm not.

I'm just pointing out that in the immediate aftermat of 9/11 there was coverage of these witnesses and their stories, and many pictures of what was clearly not a plane crash at the Pentagon...and on day 7 or 8 the coverage flat out stopped on a dime, and no one in the media ever said a word about it again...they didn't even acknowledge that they were covering it just a few days before.

The amount of things that could be gained by conspiracies can all come down to one...money, tons of it, buttloads of it, shiploads of it.

Fish on...

Todd

I think the coverage stopped because of the magnitude of the Twin towers collapsing and thousands dying.

It's weird that it started the day the Towers fell, and ended the day the Gubmint told everyone what happened, and who did it.

Fish on...

Todd

I had considered a conspiracy, especially concerning the Pentagon, but seeing the expression on Bush's face as he found out about the attacks when he was reading the pony book to the kindergartners changed my mind.

What's to be gained? A mass panic fear state in the populous resulting in an unnecessary oil war in Iraq worth loads and loads cashola, that's what.

Oil war? When did we declare war on Canada? More of the oil we import comes from Canada than any other country.

http://www.gravmag.com/imports.shtml

There goes BD once again proving his IQ is shorter than his inseam.

Sorry BD, but the fact that Canada is our largest oil trading partner has no causal basis for our oil, military, and war interests in the middle east, unless you think there's some strategic reason that Canada should supply us with all our oil. At any rate, you're not making sense.

Sg

Stratigically we should be using more of our own oil, but that's a different subject.

Oil security seems further down the list on reasons to be in the middle east. To think the entire war is just to give the military a blank check, and secure our oil interests in Iraq is just plain silly. The abundant conspiracy theorists will likely never be convinced however.

There's a ton more money involved in the ME wars than there ever will be in oil, it's just one of the perqs of being in on the ground floor.

Fish on...

Todd

BD,

Methinks KK has you pegged. With a military engine as big as ours, strategically it makes more sense to use up everybody else's oil first, saving our own for last.

Sg

There's your problem right there.

What I'm saying is that many of the beneficiaries of the war don't get the oil, they get our tax dollars...and they get plenty. Valuing the oil is one thing...getting your hands on it and making a profit from it is quite another.

Fish on...

Todd

War on terror a fraud?, short answer.................Yes.

All good points Todd.

I'll add,..... that if Hanjour was really the pilot who successfully executed the dive necessary to crash a Boeing 757-223 into the Pentagon at 500 knots without so much as skimming the front lawn,

,...............then I'll eat one of my own turds.

Retired commercial airline pilots as family and friends who have examined the evidence have personally told me the manuever explained by the 9/11 commission report is physically impossible, for any pilot in that aircraft.

Ventura may not be a few sandwiches short of a picnic but he makes some salient points.

If all this Pentagon 9/11 conspiracy stuff is total BS, then why not shut up all the loons and release the footage taken by the other 85 security cameras that day?,...........and don't tell me it's to protect "national security".

Hank, I'm sure you noted that on the right side of that vid on youtube that there are about 50 more, all on the other side of the subject?

Fish on...

Todd

Let's don't

...unless you want me to post all the Earthquake Warning vidz again!

Fish on...

Todd

1st Point: You misspelled "Strategically" you and G.W. should hang and and discuss your plan for Strategery! High five.

2nd Point: You're absolutely right, it wasn't all about oil and tax interests, it was about Weapons of Mass Destruction!!

.........sure am glad we found all of those, that was a close one.

Ummm, they did....

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_did_find_iraq_wmd_AYiLgNbw7pDf7AZ3RO9qnM

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/24/wikileaks-documents-show-wmds-found-in-iraq/

http://www.examiner.com/manhattan-conservative-in-new-york/wikileaks-revelas-there-were-wmd-iraq

And thanks for pointing out my spelling error......

Eyewitnesses ain't always what they're cracked up to be.
When The natural gas line blew up in San Bruno California last fall, news crews interviewed the on scene witnesses, most all described it as a plane crash.

People just love conspiracy theories.
Hell, I know a couple of experienced marksmen that went to Dallas to the sight of the JFK assassination.
Both agree that a 12 year old kid could make that shot with a scoped rifle.
That don't sell magazines or newspapers though.

Do you guys agree with the Popular Mechanics breakdown of 9/11, or are you "Loose Changers"?

Pt 1


pt 2




Loose Change 9/11 conspiracy video (79 minutes)

Dear lord BD, arguing just to argue. Pull your head out.

Know a guy personally who was stationed at Langley AFB on 9/11.

He told me himself, even BEFORE Rumsfeld phukked up and let it slip during a news conference, that he was there when the F-15's that shot down flight 93 were scrambled and then returned with empty missile carriages.

The thing about Flight 93--

The "Phone Calls" informing the passengers... Ever try to use a cell at 30,000 feet? There's no fuggin signal. Even flying a Cessna, I lose signal at about 2500 feet.

"Let's Roll"

-- It's like they hired a B Movie writer to come up with that. How the fvck could they have known what conversations occurred on that plane? They couldn't. The black box recorders would have only recorded what went through the head sets, that is, if they survived the impact at all.

I want to know--

Why have the black box recordings never been released?
Why were no black boxes ever recovered?
Why was there no debris field at the pentagon?
What flight was that, and who was on it?

Check these out....

The Flight of the Hologram (slow motion)

Something "Strange" with the South Tower Impact

You know what I want to know.... WTF happened to building 7? Why did that collapse after receiving no serious damage whatsoever and how is it even RELATED to the planes?

And isn't THIS what a building looks like if it collapses unexpectedly?? :



NOT like this demolition-style implosion experienced by building 7 :

So if the theories are correct that it was a missle not a plane that hit the Pentagon----- where did that plane and all it's occupants go??

The answer will be crickets.

My opinion of the War on Terror is that it is, in some definition, a fraud. Without getting into 9/11 (collapse of WTC7 is easily the most questionable single event from that whole episode), it is a fraud in the sense that we are spending money to accomplish nothing. It is a fraud when you pay for something and get practically nothing. As I've stated many times before, we have too many soft targets in the U.S. to truly protect them. This is because we are fortunate enough to live in a rich country, with (comparatively) solid infrastructure. Trains, subways, ports, condos, skyscrapers, etc.

We can't protect it all. Not even close. At least not without driving us to bankruptcy. So, instead, we decide to dump BILLIONS into airport safety which, even at this point, is basically futile. The TSA's own self-tests of attempting to get weapons through checkpoints result in over 70% of weapons getting through undetected. Some airports have 100% failure rates. And all of this dumping of money stems from an event where people with 1 inch razor blades took over a plane. Something that will NEVER be allowed to happen again.

I've gone back in the PP threads and tried to find all of the 9/11 posts but the search feature doesn't seem to work very well that far back. I'd love to see the old "terror" and "9/11" posts from Sept - Dec 2001 and review what everyone was saying. I remember what I typed and I stand by it. I'm curious to see how many people would re-read what they posted and still agree with it? From what I remember, there were plenty of hotheads that were looking for a country to bomb. How did that go?

-AP

The contractors who are doing virtually everything over there at incredibly inflated prices are getting everything they wanted, and more.

Fish on...

Todd