keith, i dont think he realizes that the reason this new commercial gear is being tested is to get more hatchery fish out of the system.

I agree, and a lot of folks have a hard time internalizing it...which is odd, because every single press release comes right out and says it...the whole point is to give the commercial fleet "access to more hatchery fish"...with the occasional passing reference to some possible and vague benefits to wild fish.

The commercials know why they're doing it...the States know why they're doing it...the Feds know why they're doing it...most sportsmen know why they're doing it...there's only one group of folks out there that is in some odd state of denial that doesn't allow them to actually evaluate their position, just entrench behind it deeper.

Fish on...

Todd

I've been talking about the possibility of 12X more hatchery fish being caught months ago. Am I undershooting the estimate?

CCA helped remove two dams in Maine and built hatcheries for Redfish in other states.

http://www.joincca.org/Accomplishments.html
Secured 2.5 million from Bath Iron Works to remove Edwards Dam on Kennebec River, Maine 1997
Successfully raised $450,000 in cash and in-kind donations to purchase and remove the Smelt Hill Dam (Maine 2001).
Led successful national effort to keep open-loop LNG terminals out of Gulf of Mexico (National 2006).
Instrumental in support of an Executive Order signed by the President ensuring federal agencies will manage recreational angling as a sustainable activity in all federal waters, including marine protected areas (CCA National 2008).


John Wilson Hatchery Texas 1981
SeaCenter Texas Hatchery Texas 1996
Worked through state legislature and private foundations to continue critical funding for Florida’s state saltwater hatchery, resulting in the 1,000,000th redfish fingerling released in Florida waters (Florida 2001).
Instrumental in the effort to secure tideland funds for speckled trout hatchery (Mississippi 2004).
Helped establish the first-ever hatchery for southern flounder (North Carolina 2005).
Funded $700,000 for construction of a state-of-the-art marine larviculture research lab (Texas 2007).


How about you?

Todd,
Before that we were saying that more hatchery fish would be caught and that would be shared between the commercials and sports. You disagreed then and as far as I'm concern you are still wrong today as you were a year ago.

Todd,

Still waiting to hear your new plan for gillnets in the CR, including tribal nets.

Not interested in what you WONT DO. We already know that.

Bet you could trace alot of these projects right back to the oil and gas/power industry, remember they have impacts on fish too, it's not just fishing. NMFS has to calculate all take, wether it be logging, sealions, dam's or an offshore drilling rig it all has to be included, what we get to fish on is just the tail end of what's left.

what plan do you have in the works that will get non-tribal gillnets off of the columbia ??

todd is correct

If your aren't the same person then both of you are wrong.

d) Continue moving away from allocation-based fishery management to objective-based fishery management. This shift allows solutions that may improve both fisheries, rather than improving one fishery at the expense of another. This approach will require both sides to concede some ground on their stated positions in order to gain actual improvements in their fisheries. It will also require investment of additional resources in commercial fishery infrastructure and several years’ patience to implement changes.

I can read just fine...that's just not how it's going to work out.

LB, my plan is the same one that it's always been...get the non-tribal commercial fishing industry completely and utterly out of the Columbia River...for once and for all.

Fish on...

Todd

your wrong

we should set up a meeting over this issue, after 40 plus years of salmon fishing a few of you are the first to tell me that if the commercials get more fish it will make sportfishing better, and to top it off, you are serious

Interesting that you use and believe in press releases and articles but not the Columbia River Sport and Commercial Spring Chinook Fisheries:
Objectives and Strategies for Near- and Long-Term Management

http://wdfw.wa.gov/commission/policies/c3617_attch1.pdf

Excellent.
That would save a few wild fish in the lower river tribs.
I can't find the press release, so how will we get that done?

Advocacy?

Yes...but not advocating for something that will further entrench the commercial fishery.

Fish on...

Todd

I wish you would pay attention I posted this earlier today.
More than 28,000 more fish projected per year to catch over the 10 year average when Selective live capture begins.
Page 14 of this thread if you want to read the whole thing.

Ten year avg. sports have access to 18,488 harvestable salmon X2 ½ =46,220 for sports a considerable amount more fish to catch considering the future success of commercial selective live capture. We also have to consider that some years the maximum fish available to harvest wasn’t achieved due to fishery closures because of high incidental impact being hit to early.

Actually if you read Oregon Attorney Generals interpretation of CCA's ballot measure this was exactly the intent, problem is they did such a good job of bullshiting everyone including WDFW's Miranda now their stuck with a mess they don't even have an answer for. Little Boys shouldn't play with fire you know..

Twins

your basing that on the assumption that all the up river tribes will go to a new fishing method like the colvilles, that aint going to happen.