Uh.... Although I don't smoke, I'd jump off a bridge if they quit making alcohol tomorrow. It's a must to get through the pothetic fishing and pothetic world we live in...

But seriously, don't take the booze away. That's some cold [censored]...

Keith

I still want to know if those who support the idea of this testing welfare recipients are supportive of similarly testing all taxpayers to be eligible for their own personal tax-code "welfare" -- Mortgage interest deductions, favorable 401K/IRA treatments, etc.

Fail the tests, or refuse to take them, you lose your deductions.. Because if you test positive, you're obviously spending your deductions on drugs...

You know as well as I do that you can shop cases to any judges and get different results, it's don't all the time. I recently heard on NPR that the 9th circuit court of appeals has nearly half of it's decisions overturned by the supreme court. Very comforting.

OK, I read all 10 pages.

Can I get an honorary law degree. I'm not talking from a top-tier institution like the UW. Maybe just PIMA or WSU.

P.S. Aunty, I did get your replies. They make sense. But Dammit, I want to pay less taxes for lazy cheaters, so I guess I'm willing to trample their constitutional rights.

Actually, there is a federal program called TANF, temporary aid for needy families. On the EBT card there are several accounts that can be accessed by the card. They can be basic food, TANF, unemployment and reimbursements for foster parenting can be accessed by the EBT card. Just FYI

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What I care about is that anyone receiving welfare be actively engaged in a program (vocational training, retraining, or some such) that will result in getting them off of welfare. For example, an unwed mother who didn't finish high school would be provided child care and educational opportunity and a small stipend. Should she be stupid enough to get knocked up a second time, her first child is taken away and put up for adoption, and she is kicked onto the street where bad decisions belong (sort of). It's an "actions have consequences" type of plan, but some people think I lack compassion.


What you'll have here is a subclass of people that will continue to need to be cared for and housed. Just because one is involved in sometype of vocational program will not make them a decent or appropriate hire. Stupid is....has already been determined way before one becomes an adult or mooch off of society. Or else there will be a lot ..and I mean a lot of homeless people on our city streets.

If you read the cases involving testing school kids for participation in after school activities, you'd see that the courts found that it would violate their 4th Amendment rights, but that the State has an overriding and more important need to keep drugs out of the school place.

That is the basis for upholding those rulings, and that basis has nothing to do with this conversation.

(nor do work place drug tests)

Fish on...

Todd

I'm with you, Aunty. But it doesn't mean it doesn't piss me off.

Exactly.

Bwp, Yes, I hired a 20 something year old kid to plant trees. Was I cheap? I don't know, he named the price and was done in 4 hours. That's $25 an hour. Am I a tax cheat for selling $100 worth of Christmas trees and not reporting it? Maybe so, cheating the government out of a whopping 30 or so bucks, call the police! Am I going to lose sleep that i ran 3 tanks of dyed diesel through my farm truck last year, cheating the government out of $30 bucks in road taxes, not a chance. I paid nearly 20k in property taxes alone last year. My $60 in unpaid tax revenue can be considered a protest. If you want to get technical, now that you make think about it, I paid someone to plant $100 worth of trees, and sold $100 worth of trees, no income afterall. Gee, thanks bwp!
The kid worked in construction, if I contract him to reroof my buildings, I won't need to pay his ss etc.

Do you pay taxes when you have a garage sale or when a guy chips in for gas on your boat? Didn't think so.

So if I paid taxes last year I can steal this year.............you know, as a protest?

Cool.

Hell, I'm not stealing, the government is..

A mandatory drug test would be routine in any socialistic country.
I thought you tea baggers were against socialism?

TeaBaggers like Big Government, so long as it's aimed at someone else...even better if it can take something from someone else and redistribute it to them.

Fish on...

Todd

Oh brother, could you be anymore full of yourself? I compete just fine, business is successful, and debt free thank you. I own a business for the money, I have a day job because I love the job. I'm not scared of an audit because I run a clean shop. You're clueless.

Were you helping in the planting of the trees? Gonna report me for giving the guy a beer at lunch too? While youre on the phone with the IRS, a neighbor lady gave me a few boxes of canning lids in exchange for some vegetables, i forgot to report that also.

Pot

Kettle

Black

"What I care about is that anyone receiving welfare be actively engaged in a program (vocational training, retraining, or some such) that will result in getting them off of welfare. For example, an unwed mother who didn't finish high school would be provided child care and educational opportunity and a small stipend. Should she be stupid enough to get knocked up a second time, her first child is taken away and put up for adoption, and she is kicked onto the street where bad decisions belong (sort of). It's an "actions have consequences" type of plan, but some people think I lack compassion."

This would cost more than the welfare. New training programs, Child care, education, stipend then possibly adoption services and a homeless person who resorts to crimes against the tax payer and requires us to build more expensive prisons. Not to mention all of the "I work for a living and these free loaders are getting free training, etc off of my dime" whiners. Total cost way more than just paying the damn welfare.

I say you have to pick up your check in person from BD after spending an hour listening to him. I bet 75% don't come back for a second check. The 25% who do are obviously on drugs.

Where did you hear that?

Keith

So what about a mandatory drug and alcohol test to buy guns and ammo?
Or we could just tax stupid, that way bait donkey would paying his fare share.

LOL... the bait dunker tax protest justification is [censored] priceless.

You, sir, are a specialty tool.

Unreal.