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#654235 - 01/14/11 11:55 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? *** [Re: SBD]
McMahon Offline
Spawner

Registered: 05/27/08
Posts: 652
Loc: Bellingham/Socialistic Idaho
BD must have been a cop at some point in his life. Only the buzzcut paramilitary type cop would say "public safety employee." The only time cops do anything safety-oriented is when they're asleep. Most of the time they're just busy shooting unarmed civilians and taking our money, but I digress...

Last time I checked, local cops don't receive drug tests. Federal LE doesn't either. It would be very interesting knowing just about many LE smoke pot. I bet the numbers of guilty officers would be astounding.

I just have a hard time believing why a person whose job was just shipped to China or Mexico needs to be drug tested while he's on unemployment looking for a new job. Sounds pretty brutal to me.

Cost is another problem. No one will pay for this since it costs over $100 just for a UA. On top of that, most guilty people would have pot in their system. No fckin' way anyone deserves to have benefits cut because of pot.

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#654237 - 01/14/11 11:58 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: bait dunker]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
Originally Posted By: bait dumpster
I would submit that a large percentage of you who are against drug testing are also current or rather recent drug users yourselves, so you are biased, if not baked on the issue.


I would submit that you're a simple-minded fool.

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I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#654246 - 01/15/11 12:21 AM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: ]
SBD Offline
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Registered: 10/19/09
Posts: 3731
Loc: Water
BWP The bill does not reduce or take away unemployment benefits, it's to make sure the unemployed are employable. Most all companys require a UA for pre-employment screening. This is going to be an interesting fight. Small Buisness owners against the unemployed who don't want to take a UA, better get a bag of popcorn for this one.
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#654261 - 01/15/11 12:46 AM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: SBD]
Steelheadman Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/15/99
Posts: 4166
Loc: Poulsbo, WA,USA
Originally Posted By: SBD
BWP The bill does not reduce or take away unemployment benefits, it's to make sure the unemployed are employable. Most all companys require a UA for pre-employment screening. This is going to be an interesting fight. Small Buisness owners against the unemployed who don't want to take a UA, better get a bag of popcorn for this one.


Wrong.
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#654322 - 01/15/11 10:09 AM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: ]
browndog Offline
Juvenile at Sea

Registered: 10/09/09
Posts: 182
Loc: Coast Range OR.
Answer me this, Say a person is a life long drug addict (my sister From late teenage year's to her death at age 50 something)She never could beat the drug's.For the most part unemployable the last 25 year's due to drug's.
Do you cut this person off and just let them die in the street or steal to survive.
Don't see how our gov. could possibly manage something like this, Where does the intrusion into daily lives stop.

Yeah kick all those lazy SOB's off welfare and such sound's good but in the real world our government would just screw it up and the people that do actually need it would get screwed.

Our government is too Big, Unmanageable,and fricken completely out of control,
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#654331 - 01/15/11 11:33 AM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: ]
bait dunker Offline
Village Idiot

Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 597
Originally Posted By: AuntyM


Requiring employees to be drug free does not infringe on their rights under the 4th amendment. No one is forcing you to apply for employment there or to continue working there.


And nobody is forcing anyone to go on welfare or seek unemployment. Thank you for proving my point. Stay off the dope so you're employable and have some money, and go get a damn job. Most of America can do it, why can't everybody else? It's really not that hard, there are ALWAYS jobs out there for those who really want to work.
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#654336 - 01/15/11 12:05 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: ]
Dave Vedder Offline
Reverend Tarpones

Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
" . . . and go get a damn job. Most of America can do it, why can't everybody else? It's really not that hard, there are ALWAYS jobs out there for those who really want to work."


BD For a guy who spews a constant stream of dumb remarks that may top the list. So I guess there was no great depression, just a bunch of guys who all decided to quit working at the same time? If they had wanted jobs there were jobs for everybody. Do you EVER think before typing?


Right now there are about 14.5 million unemployed in America. I guess there are jobs for all of them if they really wanted to work. They just prefer to lose their houses, their life savings, and everything else they worked for. Yeah, that's it.


Edited by Dave Vedder (01/15/11 12:09 PM)
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#654340 - 01/15/11 12:32 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Dave Vedder]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
He just doesn't want to lose his stranglehold on 1st place.
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#654347 - 01/15/11 12:50 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Dan S.]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Originally Posted By: Dan S.
He just doesn't want to lose his stranglehold on 1st place.

KOTY. Kook Of The Year, by a landslide.
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#654350 - 01/15/11 12:58 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Sol Duc]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I'm not sure how he managed it, but I think he's managed to annoy every single person here, from every possible ethnic, religious, or political background...we all piss off a good portion of them, but to piss off all of them at once? That takes some doin'...

Fish on...

Todd
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#654351 - 01/15/11 01:00 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Dan S.]
bait dunker Offline
Village Idiot

Registered: 12/06/09
Posts: 597
My neighbor was laid off, he drives school bus and sells firewood to make a living. He sold his toys, boat, motorhome etc, but he's keeping his house. His wife was a stay at home mom but now she works at a grocery store. Hell, a kid knocked on my door a month ago asked if I had any odd jobs. I hired him to plant ten trees @$10 a pop, 6' pine trees. Sure, a hundred bucks won't make the house payment, but he has a whole month to do jobs like that for people. He wants to work, and worked hard, if I had an opening at my shop I'd hire him. Stop making excuses for dead beats.
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#654352 - 01/15/11 01:00 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: bait dunker]
Irie Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
Originally Posted By: bait dunker
...go get a damn job. Most of America can do it, why can't everybody else? It's really not that hard, there are ALWAYS jobs out there for those who really want to work.


That has to be the #1 all-timer for PP.



Stay tuned for this public service announcement:


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#654355 - 01/15/11 01:18 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Stam has the best business plan ever...hang out with a bunch of dimwits like us, and he's always got a good customer base smile

Fish on...

Todd
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#654359 - 01/15/11 01:24 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Todd]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
There is iron in the words of stam.

bait dumpster speaks with forked tongue.

smile
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I said "baby, what's the goin' price?" She told me to go to hell.

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#654459 - 01/15/11 07:27 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: ]
ParaLeaks Offline
WINNER

Registered: 01/11/03
Posts: 10363
Loc: Olypen
Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Originally Posted By: Todd
I'm not sure how he managed it, but I think he's managed to annoy every single person here, from every possible ethnic, religious, or political background...we all piss off a good portion of them, but to piss off all of them at once? That takes some doin'...

Fish on...

Todd


The stoopid..............it's how bait donkey gits 'er done..........




rofl pot....meet kettle rofl
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#654507 - 01/15/11 09:00 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Dan S.]
FishRanger Offline
Carcass

Registered: 09/26/06
Posts: 2269
Loc: Where ever Dogfish tells me to...
Originally Posted By: Dan S.


bait dumpster speaks with forked tongue.

smile



And a mushy head. .
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#654508 - 01/15/11 09:02 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Todd]
FishRanger Offline
Carcass

Registered: 09/26/06
Posts: 2269
Loc: Where ever Dogfish tells me to...
Originally Posted By: Todd
Stam has the best business plan ever...hang out with a bunch of dimwits like us, and he's always got a good customer base smile

Fish on...

Todd


Somebody should start a poll .. . . who here has had Stam work on their vehicle ?? ? ?

I have.
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#654526 - 01/15/11 09:35 PM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: FishRanger]
Dave Vedder Offline
Reverend Tarpones

Registered: 10/09/02
Posts: 8379
Loc: West Duvall
Do boats count?
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#654648 - 01/16/11 01:00 AM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Dave Vedder]
Salmo g. Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13467
BD,

Along with the other perfectly valid reasons for opposing drug testing for welfare and unemployment, I take a conservative approach and favor the complete and total legalization of drugs, all of them. Therefore drug testing would be superfluous. No government laws against drugs and no government laws requiring drug testing. Less government, see?

You really got this one bass ackwards, but then that's kind of your specialty.

Sg

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#654649 - 01/16/11 01:05 AM Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment? [Re: Todd]
Irie Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 11/26/06
Posts: 4317
Loc: South Sound
Originally Posted By: Todd
Stam has the best business plan ever...hang out with a bunch of dimwits like us, and he's always got a good customer base smile

Fish on...

Todd


It's not like he deals in rare literature and antiquities.

Fucksake, I don't even hit this place up for book recommendations.

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