Thanks for your many years of service, good luck in the future...and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.

Fish on...

Todd

I hope he chokes on his own excessive face skin before that date arrives. What a pandering, pathetic POS.

Good fukking riddance.

Finally...

He was facing two chances for reelection, slim and none.

I like him and wish him the best!

1. Can't trust a turncoat no matter which side he goes to.

2. His prime whitetail CT property is posted.
No hunting whatsoever.....anti-hunter ?

good chit right there!

Some might call him a jackass. I'm one of 'em.

Fish on...

Todd

Terrible that someone in one of the political parties does not fall in line and vote how those in the RWWJ/LWWJ of that party wish. To bad to see him go. One of the few who would cross party lines and vote what they thought was right rather than what would keep them a seat on some panel or get them money for re-election.

If we had more of his type in both parties the country would be much better off.

Term limits should not be self imposed.

+ 63 Zillion.

Fish on...

Todd

Joe Lieberman did not vote for what he thought was right, Joe Lieberman voted for what was best for Joe Lieberman. We have far too many in both parties like him, and that's precisely what is wrong with this country.

Because anything that he did not agree with Harry on had to have been "Doing what was best for Joe." Besides, its much easier to win as an Ind than a Dem or Rep. Thats why there are so many Ind's in the senate. I mean it is full of them.

LWWJ's and RWWJ's are what is wrong with this country.....look in the mirror. But term limits +1000 and Camp fin reform would help as well.

Spot on, GH

He's a member of the Preservationist Party

That explains why he was run out of the Democratic party and won as an Indy. Never looking out for the country; only intertested in Joe.

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He was most concerned with Israel's well-being, not America's. He didn't get cut from the Dem's bench for doing a good job.

Anyone who knows anything about Zionists knows this guy was at the top of the heap.

Good to see him go. He did more harm than good (especially to Al Gore).

I think some states might have been swayed if a Zionist Jew wasn't running for election. Several states were very close.

Instead, why don't neocons like you explain to me why you keep supporting Israel even when you aren't religious? If you think there aren't Zionists (both Jewish and fundamentalist Christians) as you are suggesting, then you really must be as senile as I thought you were.

Here's one:

Pat.

Robertson.


...and all his idiot mind slaves.

Showing work with a link to the azzhole himself:

http://www.patrobertson.com/Speeches/speechreaction.asp

All you have to do is spend two minutes watching The 700 Club and you'd have been able to answer that question...mebbe less than two minutes.

Fish on...

Todd

Goat trader???

You're tryin' out for Court Jester, aren't ya ?

STFU Mr Hankie.

You asked for proof and examples, and I shoved Mr Religie Right down your fat stupid gob.

Your personal Wunderkind was your own undoing.


The only Americans that support the State of Israel are dumbfawks such as yourself that suck up faux news and lap up the propaganda of the arms dealers...the war profiteers that are the only people in this entire world that benefit from Zionism.

Your arguing tactics are so republican-like. You act like I wrote things that I did not; this is the only way you can win arguments in your immature psyche. When the fvck did I ever say anything about American support for Israel? Guess what, I didn't. Your own retarded poll shows that 15 percent of Americans do not support Israel. 20-some percent have no opinion on the matter right now. Those are significant numbers. Therefore, those 15% of Americans (a majority most likely left-leaning and a few extreme right-leaning) would severely impact an election.

What is this nonsense about historical presence of Jews in the M.E.? I don't dispute that Jews have always been in the Fertile Crescent region, but they were not supreme overlords as the Bible suggests. Anyone who looks to the Bible for a history lesson needs a swift kick in the junk.

I agree with Marsha, and will add that on a recent NPR story it was reported that Israel holds titles on a majority of it's land, bought from Jordanians, "palestinians" and others. Palestine no longer exists, hasnt for centuries or longer, and these idiots need to get over it.

It is merely a geographical area at best, never a country. Fawk the murdering palestinians. I suppose you have a Rachel Corrie poster on your wall?

Seeing how it took you 2 posts to convey your argument, I determine that you have Alzheimer's, just like your hero. There is medication for that you know.

1 vote can make the difference, but not in a presidential race. If 15% of Americans won't vote for you because you believe in a pure, Jewish state, then you're probably not going to win the election as Gore learned.

BD...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

You might learn a little about how Israel was formed, too.

I think we ought to arm the Palestinians as well as we've armed the Israelis. They might then blow each other to smithereens, and the world will be without two of its biggest problems. Win-win. In hind sight we should have handled the Iraq-Iran war the same way. If they had obliterated each other, the world would be a better place today.

Sg

"I think we ought to arm the Palestinians as well as we've armed the Israelis. They might then blow each other to smithereens, and the world will be without two of its biggest problems. Win-win. In hind sight we should have handled the Iraq-Iran war the same way. If they had obliterated each other, the world would be a better place today.


The leaders of the Palestinians would have sold off the weapons and pocketed the money just like they do all aid that comes into help the Palestinian people. Their own leaders and the opposing forces that profit from the continued poverty of the Palestinian people would never allow it to end. You mistake US and others foreign policy and Israel for the bad guys.

TJ,

No doubt I make some mistakes, but it ain't hard to see that the middle east has been nothing but trouble for the other nations sharing this planet for my entire lifetime. Without 'em, the rest of us are better off.

Sg

"Without 'em, the rest of us are better off."

You are using a lot of technology developed by the Israeli war machine and sold to US companies just to type that last sentence on the net. Just like you use lots of WWII and Vietnam war technology every time you go fishing or do just about anything. A side effect of war is advancement of tecnology and therefore society. Your statement holds true about Palestine however they produce zero by design.

WTF ?
Last time I looked, National Socialism was defeated in 1945.

War does accelerate the development of technology in much the same way as the space program does.

I'd gladly go without my GPS unit and cellphone if the Israeli war machine was put to rest.

I made due without it before,..... I'll make due again.

You assume these technologies would have never come to light without the existance of war. A poor assumption at best.

I find it ironic the Israelis use the Holocaust as a justification for their treatment of the Palestinians.

The Gaza Strip and the West Bank are nothing more than two giant concentration camps.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

Indeed it is.

Although your assuming that the only need for these technologies relates to uses in a wartime environment. I think we can both agree the need for these technologies transcribes far beyond uses on the battlefield.

I'm simply contending that the need would have eventually arose. Spawing the invention of these technologies without the war factor.

It is hard to name a technology you use today that cannot be traced at its root source back to a war era govt sponsored research project so it is hard to say for sure . But I would bet against you.

True, but if the capital and/or credit existed to fund wartime government projects then it would have existed otherwise.

I'll admit, it's a philisophical question that will likely never be answered.

Although, in no way is it a justification for the liberal use of military force by the US or the Israelis.

So you use an Israeli occupation of the Palestinian people to justify the advancement of technology? No wonder the Muslim world hates us so.

Where the hell did you get that dumb idea? "Palestinians" are their own worst enemy. They try to seduce everyone by their suffering, but it's self inflicted. Israel has tried to give these people almost everything they've asked for, but the "Palestinians " refuse to compromise. I hope one day Israel will tell America to shut up and they start defending themselves. End the sh!t once and for all.

Which one? The one where Israelis use the Shoa as a justification for the treatment of the Palestinians?

Or the one where I described the West Bank and Gaza as two giant concentration camps?

Either way,... I'd be happy to provide examples of both,...... many times over.

The question is,............................ would it even be worth it?

I think I hear John Hagee somewhere.

Hey Hank,

Next week I'm coming over to your house. I'm coming there because someone completely unrelated to you kicked me out of my house and murdered most of my family. The reason I'm coming to your house is because my great great grandfather once lived in the bay area. I've never even been to the bay. Once there you're gonna have to move into one of your bathrooms so I can take residence in your house. Once in a while I'm going to allow a few supplies to make it into your bathroom so you can eek out an existence. When you decide to throw poo into my living room as a form of protest, I'm going to toss white phosphorous grenades into the bathroom to put you in your place. If your injured, I'm going to block emergency medical personel from entering. If somene tries to ship you any essential supplies, I'm going to meet them in the foyer with special forces. I'll tape the encounter so when I release footage to the media the only thing the world will see is your rescuers beating my mercenaries with metal pipes and steak knives. The footage of my men firing on your unarmed humanitarians will be suppressed. Also, when you need to leave for work everyday, I'm going to meet you at the bathroom door. You'll be required to produce valid ID and you'll be generally harrassed if you'd like to move back and forth. If you have a problem with that, I hope you like the taste of rifle butts.

I'm hoping you'll enjoy your new existence. Of course, you will have the full option of living in your house, with me, in complete harmony. Although, in doing so, you're gonna have to sign a quit claim deed assigning all rights to the property to SW. Some of your family may want to stay in the bathroom. You can join my special forces unit though and take part in the tossing of white phosphorous grenades in there. You don't have a problem with that right?

That has to be one of the most insane things I've ever read here. I think you left out the part of indiscriminate murder in homicide bombs, and tunnels dug under the houses to pipe in arms from Egypt. Inconvienent truth?

Insane is your f'n middle name, champ.

Yeah,....... it is.

Cordon people of in prison camps and there's suprise when they retaliate? I'm not condoning violence as a form of protest. Although, when people are forced into desparate situations, they do desparate things. This should come as no suprise to anyone.

How about I share a few pictures of the last two Gaza invasions? Parents carrying their dead toddlers. Or how about a few of the 2006 Lebannon invasion? How about a few clips of Israeli gunships firing white phosporous grenades into civilian populations? Or bombing schools? I don't need to post the actual photographs to envoke a viseral reaction as you attempted to do. People can go look for themselves. The Israelis are butchers, it's any wonder they have people who are so desparate to cause them pain they strap a fukking bomb to their chest and end their existence as a means to do it.

The bull$hit goes on with both sides. I'd just prefer Israel flung their $hit without our weapons, our funding, our express consent, and without our UN Security Council vetos of multiple, multiple human rights violations.

And then we in the US wonder why we have a terrorism problem?

Nope, they hate us because we're free non-Muslims

Hey kiddies, taking either side in the Israel/Palestine conflict makes you a stupid azzhole.

Both sides are brutal, violent and think GOD is sitting on their shoulder with a "Go Team" pennant in His hand as an excuse to launch rockets into each other's daycare centers.

It's like saying the Red Sox are better than the Yankees or vice versa. Either way you are just a chuckleheaded azzhole.

SW,

A+.

Yeah, the Palestinian suicide bombers just do it for the 72 virgins, not the desperation of their conditions in Gaza. And Palestinians hate us for our freedoms and not because we arm and support Israeli murder of Palestinians and condemn Palestinian murder of Israelis.

Irie,

Wait just a second, the Sox, or any team, is better than the Yankees. God told me so.

Sg

+ 1 trillion

20 - 20 spot on!

Balfour.

Since when was it the right of Great Britain to promise Palestine to anyone? International Zionism was a failure until the end of WW2. Before that they couldn't get Jews to move there en mass. They were perfectly happy in Eastern Europe.

It is of note. The Israeli gov't created the Hamas organization as a counter balance to the PLO.

Sometimes unintended consequences can be a bitch.

Perhaps you can point point out where I might of said that,.........

Oh yeah,.................................. I didn't.

I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth to further your already weak argument.

Looks like you've been sufficiently indoctrinated by our neocon foreign policy overlords to consider anything Muslim inherently "evil" and "corrupt". There are bad elements no doubt, but I suggest you read a little history about the relationship between Muslim nations and Western nations for a little context outside of what you see on TV.

That said, Israel is a sovereign nation. They can deal with the Palestinians anyway they see fit. They should do so without any interference from the US. Although, as I said before, I have a huge problem with them doing it with our weapons, our money, our consent, and our UN vetoes allieviating them from any reprocussions stemming from international human rights violations.

If we were to implement those changes there is no guarantee that we would see better relationships with Muslim nations and extremist groups because the history is long and the scars run deep.

Although it would certainly be better than what we are doing now and it certainly wouldn't be making things worse.

Which is exactly what our middle east foreign policy does now.

Despite the view of most Americans ignorant of history there was in fact goings on between the Western World and Muslim nations prior to September 11th, 2001. Al-CIA-duh didn't just wake up one day and decide they wanted to attack the United States.

Bin Laden himself described the reasons for the WTC attacks as resistance to foreign troops taking occupation of their land and US support for Israel.

If extremist Muslims are so hell bent on destroying any culture that does not conscribe to their beliefs, as you describe,.............

why didn't they fly 757's into The Fortune Plaza in Beijing?

After all they're just a bunch of godless commies in the eyes of religious extemists right?

P.S. - If you think there is going to be a victor in all of this you are way off base. What have we won so far? An empty bank account and a collapsed economy? What do we win if there even is such thing as a definable victory in all of this?

A shiny medal? A new car?

Hankster,

Your conclusion I can agree with. How 'bout that?

SW,

More salient points. ++. Bin Laden did use that description as the rationale for attacking the U.S.

Then again, I kinda' like the way George Carlin (RIP) summed it up, that we are a war-like nation that likes to drop bombs on brown people.

Sg

Aunty M,

I don't see anyone blaming America. When we put our country in the position of giving huge military and financial aid to Israel (and what do we get for that?), we step into the situation of Arab countries saying, "the friend of my enemy is my enemy." By choosing Israel as a friend, we concurrently choose a bunch of enemies. My point has been that, with friends like Israel, who needs enemies?

Nations should act in their self interest. I don't see how having anything to do with Israel is in the U.S.' interest.

Sg

"They did it so it's OK if we do it too."

Even the 8yr olds I coach know better than that.

Muslims, Christians, Jews,..........they've all been killing each other for thousands of years.

What's a thousand more right?

Aunty, as long as they are people with your mind set content with the status quo, we'll continue to reap what we sow. (Ha! I'm a poet and didn't even know it.)

God help us all if that's the case.

+ many.

At no time in history have two sovereign nations had identical self-interests.

I don't trust our media for truthfulness these days, nor do I trust their analyst. After all, our media and it's experts is what has driven us into these hateful wars (WMD) and economic collapse ($$$ Trillons). False flag operations are typical for manipulating a people to sacrifice their sons and daughters in a false belief framed as righteous. Just saying......

The treats are in response to occupation of their homeland. Doh!! If we were occupied we ( I ) would also pose a treat to the occupier. If it were my family members that were killed unjustly in my homeland (America), I would also pose a treat to the perpetrator(s). Makes sense to me. This is a debate that America can't win on principles of righteousness and security. It's insane!

As long as Israel occupies Palestinians Homeland there neighbors will help them to resist. That's what good neighbors do. I would hope that it would hold true for us as well if the need arise. I care about my neighbors welbeing, and maintain an intent of doing unto others as I want them to do unto me. For each of us to hold onto that "Us" and "Them" mentality is much to abstract, dysfunctional and crazy.

It's time we consider calling a time out (individually and collectively) for education, self evaluation, reconciliation, and afterword's doing an inventory for cleaning up our own toxic rational (individual and collective) that contaminates the whole of our system. In doing so one must find the willingness to change, if indications suggest it, in order to contribute in mankind's interest of realizing a more functional and sustainable World. Our current thinking is self destructive and unsustainable, no matter the money spent to the contrary. It's time that we all do and think in ways that work and are holistic, and stop doing the things that don't work and are toxic, which threatens all life on planet. My .02

Hank money does not balance the scales in order to justify our behavior and attitude regarding the worth of other peoples live. Money does not equal morality or righteousness in this situation. We can't justify killing all Muslims because of our programed (propaganda) individual and collective paranoia . just saying.....

Hank Colonialism died long ago. If you think it's possible to kill all Muslims in this day and age, as was done to Native Americans and are expecting the same results, you're insane. The way things are going right here right now, it wont be long when only Indians will remain, because the rest would have died off by their own foolishness and madness. Maybe they (Indians) put a curse on you Hank for the evil rooted in you, and that is why you are afflicted.

Hank, your allegiance seems to lie more with Israel than the U.S. Why don't you do everyone a favor and move over there and join the Israel military and start killing those dirty Muslims?

You talk the talk, but can you walk the walk?

Bullschit. Way to play the humanitarian card, Hank. You've been defending Israel as if your life depended on it. You're worse than Lieberman himself. Your allegiance lies with Israel, just like all of the other Teabaggers.

Hank, why do you and your teabagging friends hate America so much?

Disagreeing with Israel's policies and our country's support for them is now antisemitic?

The notion of being anti-Israeli conjures up thoughts of antisemitism in most Americans. It's been ingrained into our minds. If you say something that conflicts with Israeli policy, everyone assumes you must hate Jews. AM and Hank are two of these people. Hank writes as if he's ready you jump into the front lines to save Israel from all Muslim threats, and AM calls people antisemitic. Classic.

I've read several articles on this topic, and there's even a documentary on it. Type in "Israel and antisemitism" into any search engine and see what comes up.

If you read back I also said the same thing. Israel is a sovereign nation. If they want to defend themselves they have the right to do so without asking permission from the US.

Looking through this prizm, it's easy to see how our unbridled support for Israel creates conflicts for them as well as us.

As I've stated twice already though. If Israel decides to use excessive force against a civilian population locked inside a prison camp they should do so on their own dime and be prepared to face the international consequences for doing so.

AM,

So we're using anti-semitism to descibe the questioning of US foreign policy with Israel?

Really?,................. Tell that to Norman Finklestein and Tony Jundt.

That old canard has been played out so many times by the ADL even Abe Foxman has backed off of using the term.

How is that any different than the LWWJ's who claim bigotry and racism against those who oppose Obama policy decisions.

Give me an effin' break.

Liberals trying to draft Keith Olbermann for Joe Lieberman's Senate seat

Even though I'm in disagreement with her I would never go that far.

Doesn't accomplish $hit IMO.

Although I would with you when debating econ

+ trillons

Absolutely!

I'll PM ya my addy if needed

No way!

Well,.................... maybe 3