I'm not aware of any "welfare equivalent" tax breaks that I'm receiving. Please enlighten me. I take 3 drug tests a year, 2 at my job, and 1 where I volunteer. Obviously, I have no problem showing that I'm clean. And I pay more than my fair share of taxes.

Big Moby, maybe you should read a couple pages back.......

Do you deduct dependants?
Did the govt force them on you or were they by choice?
Why do you ask the rest of America to subsidize the choices you make?

I certainly don't doubt that you believe that.

No, I don't. Next.

No, you don't. Your "fair share" is paying fuel tax on the diesel your truck burns, and paying income tax on your undeclared income.

You're a simple thief, and a scumbag.

You're a scumbag because while you're avoiding taxes and placing an unfair burden on other tax payers, you're busting the balls of others who are placing an unfair burden on those that actually pay their taxes.

Your holier-than-thou attitude makes me want to puke.

"No, I don't. Next."

So no kids.

Now for those property taxes.
Why do you expect Americans to refund your state property taxes?

Unfair burden? You've got to be joking! Unfair burden is drug users who have money for dope, but not for food for their kids. Who's really the thief? According to my accountant Well over 50% of my income goes to taxes, so forgive me if I don't lose sleep for not paying taxes on a couple tanks of fuel or a few Christmas trees. I don't ask for public assistance, and you're not supporting me, no matter how you twist it. I contribute far more to the community than I use. Set yourself on fire flamer Dan.

Let's keep it that way!

BD claims to be a fireman.
DanS requdiates through combustion.

Could be an interesting interaction.

You are.



Bullsh!t. For every tax dollar you cheat the state and feds out of, some responsible taxpayer, like ME, has to make up for.



Is that your justification for being the weasel that you are?

Quit sniveling about others being a burden on taxpayers. YOU are a burden on other taxpayers. Take that high f'n horse you're riding on, and point it towards a cliff.

Just need a little oxygen.

Firemen are public employees and get paid by taxes. Back in the old days firemen where volunteers at least around here my dad spent time as a volunteer firefighter and assistant chief. Only the larger cities had paid firefighters. Now it seems like firefighters have enough time on the job to access the internet and post on bulletin boards. Maybe firemen should only get paid when they are actually putting out fires or drill.

"Let me show ya something"

I still wanna know what happen's with all the people that are kicked to the curb.
I don't think they are just gonna go away or become model citizen's. My sister spent the first half of her life as a functional drug addict paying taxes etc. It was the last twenty years when her brain and body failed that she became a burden. She is entiled to something for her contributions to medicare,S.S.etc.
No chance for her to her become a functional part of society at that point,body and brain just to ravaged by drug's.

I think that Dan might still be holding back.

Sorry to have missed so much. I was at my job.... The one I need to pass periodic drug tests to keep.....

If I went on unemployment I wouldn't get drug tested anymore and I could keep up with these threads....

BD - do you own a house? Do you take a mortgage interest deduction? That's welfare. do you itemize? what about those deductions? And to be clear I wasn't asking if YOU would take a drug test, I asked if you thought it was right to make EVERY AMERICAN take a drug test in order to get their deductions.

Anyone that thinks Welfare, Unemployment or any other assistance program is some sort of fukkin' CAKEWALK ought to go and try it first.

Ten years ago I was supporting my new family on the CRAP wages the state pays it's workers and so we applied for WIC to feed my pregnant wife and then later our newborn baby.

Imagine being scowled at and treated like a shoplifter for checking out with some milk and eggs by the dickhead supermarket manager. He looks at what you pick out with a pissed off look on his face, examining each item covered by your coupons and makes comments like "You don't really need THIS!" and "What, store brand not good enough?"

Yes, they really did that. This was also at "pro-life" Ralph's Thriftway that caused that court case for refusing to allow their pharmacists to dispense Plan B. I guess they stop giving a schit about human life at birth. Fvck you, Stormann family.

Anyway.

Another example. The WIC plan required monthly "check ups" with the case worker.

After about 8 months, during mid winter, our daughter came down with a double ear infection. The pediatrician at St Pete's family practice only gave her antibiotics for TWO DAYS. The infection came back, now drug resistant, and almost killed her. The Doc turned out to be a quack with an off-shore Med degree and had his card yanked by the state about a week later.
However, when we came in for our "check up" the case worker accused us of child neglect and threatened to take our daughter away, because of the massive weight loss she suffered, DESPITE the fact that we had letters from St Pete's explaining what happened. She didn't care. Didn't give a fiddler's fart. She treated us like criminals using the state for our own means and letting our daughter starve. We told her to keep her crappy milk & diaper coupons and get fuct, and if she wished to pursue the matter, we would have her azz, and we walked out.

The moral of the story is-- If you thing people on assistance are doing it foe schits and giggles, you have another thing coming. Go try it for six month and see how you like it.

This thread's played out.

"- do you own a house? Do you take a mortgage interest deduction? That's welfare. do you itemize? what about those deductions? And to be clear I wasn't asking if YOU would take a drug test, I asked if you thought it was right to make EVERY AMERICAN take a drug test in order to get their deductions."

It takes a real wack job to somehow think that using the law to keep your own money is somehow welfare. Is not working to your full potential theft to the state? Does the government own us?

Sorry Irish Rogue, but you are an idiot. Disagreeing with breaks is one thing, but calling them welfare is another. 10 to 1 you not self employed.

Now, about welfare, Lets talk about the extended unemployment benefits. Since I am in the building industry I could easily pick up the phone and talk to dozens of people who have lost everything or are seriously struggling. Not one extra penny will ever go to these people as they are all self employed. Eventually they may qualify for free lunches and general welfare, but I would guess 90% will survive with little or no help. Maybe others should learn to do the same. Especially after 2 years.

Does abuse of the system happen? Of course it does.

Does that mean we throw everyone under the bus? NO!!

Human nature is not to give up and to accept living in poverty. We need to help those who need it to get back on their feet. As for the small % of deadbeats well that's the cost of doing business in a compasionate society. Now how to best go about that is where I differ from my liberal friends

As for the main subject of this thread........

If it's OK for the Feds to drug test welfare receipiants then it's also OK for the Feds to drug test those who want a drivers license, fishing license, SS card, passport etc......

Slippery slope this fragile thing we call freedom is!

JUST SAY NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"It takes a real wack job to somehow think that using the law to keep your own money is somehow welfare. Is not working to your full potential theft to the state? Does the government own us? "

You are using the law to AVOID paying taxes that others pay so yes it is welfare. And it's not YOUR money. There is a set tax rate for your bracket. That's the govt's money. Unfortunately the govt over the years has decided to hand out welfare to select groups allowing them to avoid paying the full rate. The interest on a $50 million yacht is tax deductable and you pay for it and that SHOULD piss you off unless you are a wack job.