I'm sorry ,were you all saying something? I was busy looking at Direct Drive's avatar photo....

If there is a heaven she will be there

Nope.
Nope.
Nope.
Nope.

What I did say was I thought -- so long as the Baptist Church people continue to be both complete jackasses AND use the freedom of speech defense, then I think some soldiers families ought to themselves become complete jackasses back *AND* use a legit interpretation of the Brandenburg ruling to try to get them to STFU.

To all your questions -- please see my sentence about the danger of letting the crazies threats set the standards for protected speech: "I suspect would be the discussion point should this issue ever make its way to the courts."

As I wrote above, if you guys would take one minute to read it, the crazies do NOT set the standard as to whether speech is protected, or if it us unprotected hate speech...the violence that is incited intentionally by the speaker happens right there, right now (imminently), when he rallies his troops that are there listening to him.

This doesn't include counter-protestors in another country, whose counter protest includes violence, unless he was speaking to them directly and told them to go out and burn Bibles and kill people in the government that are sympathetic to the USA, and they did.

Fish on...

Todd

I think the media is getting off too quick on this one. They can provoke some realy bad shitt. Our society thrives off of drama and controversy. We look for it in the news, the internet, everywhere. They don't realise that they are just enabling these loonies by bringing attention to them.

The bible burners wouldn't potentialy be causing deaths if nobody knew they were burning korans. The media just always stirs shitt up. If we are going to burn korans, lets do it after a soldiers are done being on the front line with the guys that read it, and don't try and make it fuel more hatred.

It sounds like it would be good taliban recruitment propaganda.

"I think we should all burn Republicans instead."

I heard they burn good having fattened up on oil. Maybe it's a new source of energy? Sadly it seems to be a renewable one. No shortage of wing nuts.

Heaven can wait.

Your comment is incendiary, and an insult to air quality.

Anybody can claim to be a Pastor just loke anybody can claim to be a Muslim.

Read an article this AM about Terry Jones and his flock.
All 30 of them. Sounds like a cult to me.
So are we supposed to protect an oppressive cult ?

There are clearly Medieval lunatics on both sides that need to be controlled by their respective societies.

OK, how about refrain from protecting ?
Oh, and don't forget, we are at war.

Weirdos in tough times are exactly what is protected by the Constitution...doing otherwise is what oppressive regimes do.

"Time of War" is the lamest excuse to be asswipes...ever.

When Ari Fleischer several years ago said we were in a time of war and people better "watch what they say", I wanted to reach through the TV screen and grab that fuckin little twirp by the neck and shake him like a dirty martini.

Fish on...

Todd

This country couldn't run on a 90% unemployment rate.

The war thing....
When we send young men and women into harm's way, we have a moral obligation to protect them whether or not we believe in the cause.
We are free to protect them in any lawful way that we choose or we can choose to do nothing.
Convincing Terry Jones to STFU would be one way and I think that that is actually happening now.

On the cult thing...
I don't know if Jones is breaking any laws but it does sound oppressive. Here is a quote from the Post article :

"Long before Rev. Terry Jones threatened to burn a Quran, former parishioners say he presided over a church that he treated as a personal fiefdom, imposing a strict orthodoxy that tore apart one Gainesville family after another.
Congregants are required to vow allegiance to Jones....
Two of his daughters have left the church in disgust."

Jones has a history of three decades in Germany "creating his own empire" there as well.

So we have medieval societies and modern societies functioning in parallel.
Looks like war is the chosen means of communication.

No appeasing here.
If I was fighting in the sand box I wouldn't want useless fools on the homefront doing things that incite/strengthen the enemy. The radical Imams are just as guilty as Jones, if not more so.
We can't kill them all. We have been trying since the Middle Ages and now there are more to kill.
So we will continue killing them until we tire of it or maybe someday their numbers will be reduced to a point where that they can be managed. I doubt it, though. Well, it depends on your definition of manageable, I suppose.

they = radical, militant Islamists

There were good people who went to AF to try to help these people and they were slaughtered. What a mess.
I can't imagine the sorrow that the families of the slain are going through.

DD, there are a lot of useless fools here in the US doing a lot of useless things, some of it very dangerous, or at the very least, stupid as a box of rocks...but that's what we get for living in a country where it's not a crime to be a waste of time or space, or not as smart as the skid mark left in your boxers.

Fish on...

Todd

"Even at the expense of an American soldier ... in the long run we have saved hundreds or thousands of lives,” said Jones.

If someone wanted to make a difference and eliminate this religion, our country will gladly strap a gun to you so you can go kill some of those fuckrs. Men are puting their lives on the line to represent this statement, and we shouldn't make it harder for them to complete this task.

Even if we think this won't impact the soldiers, if we are wrong, people will die because of it. It would be a travesty to have a dead soldier come home and have the same type of people who influenced his death, tell his family that he's dead and going to hell because we love gays and don't read the bible.

Our soldiers ARE killing people to save lives. The men who preach the koran can't speak if they're dead. Without man, it's just a book. A stack of papers with ink on it.

I don't care if it's their right, some people just need to STFU.

No, I'm not in that club.
I do try to do what I can even though I never supported many of the high level war decisions that have been made in the past decade.

So, put your money where your mouth is, I have.
Maybe you have too, I don't know.
http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/

I want 'em home as much as anybody.

I'm always amazed to see that many Americans support censorship of first Amendment rights.

Wasn't it old Ben Franklin who said, "he who gives up a little liberty to obtain a little security will end up with neither," or words to that effect?

Sg

A lot of folks tend to support censorship...of other folks, and other folks' ideas...try to censor them and you'll get the old Second Amendment treatment, to back up their First Amendment rights.

Fish on...

Todd