#680481 - 04/30/11 07:21 PM
Freedom in the 50 states
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HERE is a link to an ongoing survey of data collection and correlation to rank states on how they treat the freedoms of its citizens. You can get some past information by doing a search for "Freedom in the 50 states" It's a long read for sure, but I think you'll find that the data is treated objectively. There is a lot of good information, and perhaps it will open some eyes.
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#680533 - 05/01/11 02:27 AM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Summarize? Fer Chrissakes, Hank the document is 64 freaking pages long. You ever heard of Acrobat Reader?? It's free, buddy.....buy it! ![rofl rofl](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/rofl.gif) Here's a little of it.... Washington's ranking out of 50.....(higher is most restrictive)... Washington "Washington scores #41 on economic freedoms, #35 on personal freedoms, and #44 overall. While taxes are fairly low, spending is higher than average, and accordingly government debt is quite high. The government payroll is much larger than average. For a liberal state, gun laws are quite reasonable. Alcohol is fairly tightly controlled, with taxes on spirits the highest in the country by far (effectively $21.15 per gallon). Marijuana laws are a bit better than average, but making high-level possession and low-level cultivation misdemeanors and low-level possession a civil offense would help further. Washington does not authorize sobriety checkpoints. Educational regulation is absurdly tight, with private schools needing state approval and under certain conditions teacher licensing, and home schoolers needing to meet teacher qualifications, annual standardized testing, and extensive recordkeeping rules, along with other requirements. Land-use planning is becoming more centralized. Labor and health insurance laws are poor. Asset forfeiture has been reformed, but eminent domain has not. Cigarette taxes are high, and smoking bans are extensive." ........and here's the criteria ranking chart...... I had to shrink it to take a screen shot and blow it up so it's not very clear. All just for you...dipstick ![wink wink](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/wink.gif) ![](http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk112/SlabHappy/chart1.jpg)
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#680553 - 05/01/11 11:11 AM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Table III: Economic Freedom Ranking State Economic freedom
1. South Dakota 0.385 2. New Hampshire 0.345 3. Colorado 0.337 4. North Dakota 0.315 5. Idaho 0.257 6. Georgia 0.253 7. Texas 0.225 8. Tennessee 0.225 9. Missouri 0.210 10. Alabama 0.200 11. Arizona 0.190 12. Iowa 0.177 13. Virginia 0.175 14. Utah 0.164 15. Michigan 0.161 16. Indiana 0.159 17. Oklahoma 0.144 18. Kansas 0.126 19. Pennsylvania 0.120 20. Wyoming 0.098 21. Montana 0.096 22. South Carolina 0.062 23. Nevada 0.058 24. Delaware 0.052 25. Florida 0.047 26. North Carolina 0.041 27. Nebraska 0.036 28. Louisiana -0.012 29. Illinois -0.025 30. Mississippi -0.032 31. Minnesota -0.075 32. Ohio -0.081 33. Kentucky -0.086 34. Maryland -0.110 35. Wisconsin -0.111 36. Oregon -0.113 37. Massachusetts -0.133 38. Connecticut -0.142 39. Arkansas -0.148 40. West Virginia -0.177 41. Washington -0.219 42. Rhode Island -0.267 43. New Mexico -0.288 44. Hawaii -0.295 45. Vermont -0.310 46. New Jersey -0.337 47. Alaska -0.343 48. California -0.351 49. Maine -0.406 50. New York -0.596
Table IV: Personal Freedom Ranking State Personal freedom
1. Alaska 0.272 2. Maine 0.193 3. New Mexico 0.138 4. Arkansas 0.125 5. Texas 0.121 6. Missouri 0.110 7. Oregon 0.104 8. Idaho 0.100 9. Virginia 0.100 10. Wyoming 0.095 11. Vermont 0.093 12. Arizona 0.089 13. New Hampshire 0.087 14. Utah 0.086 15. Kansas 0.085 16. Colorado 0.084 17. West Virginia 0.080 18. Tennessee 0.059 19. Indiana 0.049 20. Michigan 0.045 21. Montana 0.029 22. Mississippi 0.027 23. Florida 0.022 24. South Dakota 0.007 25. Iowa 0.006 26. Kentucky 0.003 27. Oklahoma -0.002 28. Hawaii -0.009 29. Pennsylvania -0.018 30. North Carolina -0.022 31. Minnesota -0.036 32. Nevada -0.045 33. North Dakota -0.047 34. Nebraska -0.055 35. Washington -0.055 36. Delaware -0.060 37. California -0.063 38. Connecticut -0.082 39. Wisconsin -0.089 40. Louisiana -0.098 41. South Carolina -0.102 42. Georgia -0.106 43. Alabama -0.107 44. Massachusetts -0.109 45. New Jersey -0.120 46. Ohio -0.124 47. Rhode Island -0.163 48. New York -0.188 49. Illinois -0.213 50. Maryland -0.294
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#680555 - 05/01/11 11:19 AM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Junk statistics. A person is as free as he allows himself to be even here in Kommunist Kalifornia. According to these stats I live in shackles. LOL. ![rofl rofl](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/rofl.gif)
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#680563 - 05/01/11 12:03 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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What is the scariest part is that the most restrictive states' populace (for the most part) think everyone should live like they do. ![huh huh](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/huh.gif) You talk about "groomed"! And furthermore they raise their kids to think ....er... NOT think about how many lost freedoms their parents accept(ed) because they were not directly affected and therefore selfishly, and possibly cowardly, dodged the issue by fleeing down the dead-end tunnel of "it's not my problem".
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#680566 - 05/01/11 12:08 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Did you call for Bush's head when he put forward the Patriot Act?
Or did you vote for him again?
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#680583 - 05/01/11 01:21 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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It's kind of like your brother. Sure, YOU can try to kick his ass, but let anybody else try it, and there's going to be trouble.
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#680584 - 05/01/11 01:29 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Two votes for "Hank was supporting Sal."
I didn't read it that way.
Sal.... according to the data....I live in shackles...(tic) Hank....more so than you think
Whose right?
Hank? Got something to say?
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#680624 - 05/01/11 09:59 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Hank and Sal are usually very quick to complain about CA stuff, but let some outsider do so and suddenly, CA is paradise to them. ![rofl rofl](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/rofl.gif) As long as no one forces me to go there, I'm OK with that! I've responded to the tired old California insults so many times my head spins. WHY IN THE HELL DO PEOPLE ARGUE LIKE THIS? If I even slightly defend it, suddenly you're stuffing words in my mouth like I said "California is the best place on Earth" ![beathead beathead](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/beathead.gif) BUT, now scruntch up real close to your computer monitor and crank up the magnification to 150%.. OK? I NEVER SAID IT WAS THE BEST, BUT IT SURE AS HELL AIN'T THE WORST! Go put on some glasses & look at my album people, look like I'm suffering? I'll just keep quietly adding pics to my album, and let you believe whatever the fukk you want. As far as New York being rated as the worst? I have a friend there that will blow a giant hole in that bulllshitt theory as well. ![](http://i416.photobucket.com/albums/pp250/nightstalker1_bucket/cabinshot2010bright2.jpg) Keep slurping the koolaid. Stay thirsty my friends. ![beer beer](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/beer.gif)
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#680664 - 05/02/11 12:20 AM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Rarely do people get so defensive over someone critizing their state, especially such a screwed up one. Aunty---How about you hang some pics that out perform Sal and his son. I'm sure a vision of outdoor fitness and hardcore endeavor such as yourself, could show a man like Salmonella and his son how silly they are living in their "screwed" up state. If you can't... shut the f.ck up and go make me a pie...kitten.
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#681275 - 05/04/11 09:24 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Hank, I went to high school in Lafayette. During my teen years, I lived there, in Walnut Creek, Concord and Martinez. Hubby and I met there and we both have family and friends there.
We were stationed at Mare Island twice and both times had to live in the community before we got into housing, where we were finally "safe" from the local population. Fished in the bay, the river and Berryessa. Camped in most areas of northern CA.
And then there were 2 tours in San Diego.
The fact that we got sent other places is what educated us that CA is not what we like.
What has any of that got to do with CA's screwed up politics, gang issues and crime, air pollution and too many fricken people? Did I mention you have too many fricken people there? I've been stewing about this post for several days now. I really don't care that you did not like it here in California, however I find your descriptions of where I live to be beyond laughable. No offense Aunty but you lived in the ghetto, hence your off key perspective. My rub comes when you generalize the entire state based on your term in the Vallejo and San Diego areas. Good God, I'd go out of my mind living there as well. This thread is about freedom in 50 states right? Personal freedom starts at home, if you have a sidewalk and neighbors on all sides you might as well be in a jail cell. I often wonder how many people on these outdoor forums bitch about California's crowded conditions all the while living in some apartment or subdivision surrounded by neighbors, asphalt and concrete. Coming home to freedom in a scenic, private environment is where freedom starts. I have that. ![](http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1566/18190219935321340914610.jpg) ![](http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/6757/zx12345.jpg) ![](http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/9853/zx1234.jpg) ![](http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3859/scan0009m.jpg) Last evening I took a drive over to my buddy's 5,000 acre cattle ranch on the east side of the lake. Absolute solitude. Not even the sound of a single vehicle. Freedom? Like you wouldn't fuggin believe. ![](http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4898/031ei.jpg) ![](http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/3966/021iv.jpg) ![](http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5449/zx123.jpg) I spend a lot of time on a ranch in far northeastern California's Modoc County as well . freedom is very abundant there as well. ![](http://www.noehill.com/california/goose_lake_barn.jpg) As much as I've enjoyed my life here in my lil paradise, I'll be the first to admit that much of this state sucks and if I could move the wife I would. Yes, there are lots of better places to live, but when you generalize, you are missing a whole lot. ![grin grin](/forum/images/graemlins/default_dark/grin.gif)
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#681280 - 05/04/11 09:36 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Yes, there are lots of better places to live, but when you generalize, you are missing a whole lot.
+1000
There are some breathtaking places in California. just nopt hwere there are too many people.
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#681286 - 05/04/11 09:57 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Your portrayal of California is the exception rather than the rule and you know it. I think your pseudo offense is nothing more than an opportunity to show off. Don't take me wrong. What you have is awesome, but to try to propose that it represents California is way beyond accurate.
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#681291 - 05/04/11 10:03 PM
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Dad was a Navy Career man....lived in San Diego, San Fransico, El Cajon, and Pleasant Hills. Also have two brothers who lived down there most of their lives in Bakersfield. Been a while now since I was down there, but I'm really certain that things haven't gotten better, know what I mean?
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#681295 - 05/04/11 10:08 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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Most recent visit (1983 or so) was a temporary job in Elk Hills for a couple of months in the oil fields. Lovely place......(tic)
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#681301 - 05/04/11 10:16 PM
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You know KK, for a smart man you sure can be a total idiot. You could have a lot to offer but opt instead to just be a (s)tool. Why is that? Your mama knock you off the nipple too soon?
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#681306 - 05/04/11 10:24 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Yeah, tell the guy all about the place HE lives, slabby. And why don't you take a couple personal shots as well.................like you did.
I've got 20 bucks that says Sal knows California better than you do, and you're just talking out your ass.
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#681312 - 05/04/11 10:29 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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slabby apparently thinks Tacoma's hilltop and Discovery Bay are the same, too.
I mean, they're both in Washington.
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#681332 - 05/04/11 11:40 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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You offerin' up something Danny Boy? I mean other than just lip.
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#681335 - 05/04/11 11:48 PM
Re: Freedom in the 50 states
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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Yeah, I'm offering up the observation that you're a dumbass.
Any other questions?
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