#654145 - 01/14/11 08:42 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 03/15/99
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I think its high time to test our law makers for alcohol and drugs. Who is going to fund this program? There's ways to pass the test or quit before the test. There's not reasonable cause to test those on welfare or unemployment. What happens if somebody is prescribed drugs? Who is going to pay for treating those who are on drugs? Dumbass Republikans. Probably a couple of reformed hippies that are born again.
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#654155 - 01/14/11 08:57 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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I don't remember the last time I felt like RvW was replying for me on a thread. The employee pays NOTHING into unemployment insurance. It's paid by the employer. It's paid as part of the employee's compensation package, you f'n goat. What will this drug testing program do about all the drunk, lazy pieces of sh!t who aren't working because they'd rather hit the sauce?
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#654156 - 01/14/11 08:57 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 11/08/06
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I think its high time to test our law makers for alcohol and drugs. Who is going to fund this program? There's ways to pass the test or quit before the test. There's not reasonable cause to test those on welfare or unemployment. What happens if somebody is prescribed drugs? Who is going to pay for treating those who are on drugs? Dumbass Republikans. Probably a couple of reformed hippies that are born again. Hell yeah! But not just the "law makers" let's not forget about the law "enforcers"...they ought'a have randoms too.
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#654159 - 01/14/11 08:59 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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River Nutrients
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Not to mention that a good majority of those on welfare are already going through treatment programs, AA, or NA and may be living in an Oxford house or they have already gone through the system and may be living a clean and sober lifestyle. These lawmakers are clueless and are pandering to a certain segment of our high and mighty society.
Yeah I agree that alcohol and drug abuse is a big problem.
Use by Obama, GW Bush, and Clinton didn't seem to prevent them from the presidency.
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#654163 - 01/14/11 09:01 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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River Nutrients
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I don't remember the last time I felt like RvW was replying for me on a thread. Everybody's gott'a have a New Years resolution....looks like mines working.
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#654177 - 01/14/11 09:19 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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River Nutrients
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So just give all the low paying jobs to illegal aliens in Washington, Oregon, and California who bring the drugs across the border or grow/manufacture them and don't get tested. Heck we pay for their medical care. Maybe those unemployed or on welfare could work these jobs. Really seems fair and hypocritical.
Also some of those who would get cut off would probably just resort to a life of crime and drug dealing/trafficking.
Edited by Steelheadman (01/14/11 09:24 PM)
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#654178 - 01/14/11 09:27 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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Poodle Smolt
Registered: 05/03/01
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Welfare = YES It's an entitlement program that generally panders to lazy people.
Unemployment = NO It's an insurance program that the employee paid into. Kind of leaning towards RVW idea here. I also like Salmo's suggestions as they apply to welfare. Most drugs, with the exception of THC, leave the body in a few days and make pee tests a hit & miss issue. Now if they were to test hair, that would be a whole other deal. Pot doesn't bother me, but it is persistant in the body as it is store in fat. It is possible to score pretty low a few days after smoking, and then show up REALLY hot 15-30 days later based on how the body gets rid of THC. This is the one substance that should be legalized.
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#654182 - 01/14/11 09:39 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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Why in the HELL would anyone in their right mind want the government making personal decisions for citizens? Are you people out of your fricken minds???
Makes you wonder what they would do in a socialist state.
Edited by freespool (01/14/11 09:43 PM)
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#654193 - 01/14/11 10:04 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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Village Idiot
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It's paid as part of the employee's compensation package, you f'n goat. [/quote]
It's paid because the government forces us to pay it. Unemployment is just another welfare program. Just like workmans comp, It's not part of your compensation package, find a legal job in America where the employer doesn't have to pay into it? It's just like social security, a ponzi scheme. Drug tests for law makers as well as welfare and enemployment seekers would NOT be a violation of the 4th amendment because it would be voluntary. If you choose not to take the test, no "benefits". RvW, where do you get the idea that public safety employees are not drug tested?
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#654198 - 01/14/11 10:23 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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As mentioned by others there are one hell of a lot more problems related to alcohol than drugs. What the hell, lets let the gubmint see if we have to much to drink, maybe Nyquil too often, or how about Oxcycontin. Jeesh. I thought we were trying for less gubmint.
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#654199 - 01/14/11 10:34 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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It's paid because the government forces us to pay it. Drug tests for law makers as well as welfare and enemployment seekers would NOT be a violation of the 4th amendment because it would be voluntary. If you choose not to take the test, no "benefits". So it looks to me like the government isn't forcing you to pay unemployment insurance, either..........you choose to do it by having employees.
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#654201 - 01/14/11 10:44 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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Village Idiot
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So it looks to me like the government isn't forcing you to pay unemployment insurance, either..........you choose to do it by having employees.
Actually, they force me to pay it on myself as well, if I were a sole proprieter, I wouldn't pay, but I couldn't collect either. Marsha, of course, is out in left field. A government pension would be part of your compensation package, where as unemployment is not. I find it hard to believe so many of you think meth addicts should be able to collect welfare, but then again, PP is about as drug friendly as burning man.
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#654203 - 01/14/11 10:48 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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Do me a favor and go up and find where one single person said that they support meth addicts collecting welfare...please?
You won't find it...because no one said it.
Saying that they don't support everyone taking a drug test does not in any way, shape, or form imply that they support meth addicts taking benefits.
Do you want a TSA agent to stick a metal bar ten inches up your ass every time you get on a plane? No? What? You actually support people getting on planes with grenades up their asses?
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#654211 - 01/14/11 11:12 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.
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I wouldn't pay, but I couldn't collect either. Why would you want to collect, ya f'n sponge? I figured you'd just pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
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#654213 - 01/14/11 11:18 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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River Nutrients
Registered: 05/22/05
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How is this "less government", sure seems like a lot more, and who the fuk is going to pay for this mass drug testing? We are supposed to be thinking of ways to pare down spending, not ramp it up. For those wondering why Sara Palin is viewed as a leader, look no further than those that propose things like this, dimbulbs seem think she's the smart one.
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#654217 - 01/14/11 11:22 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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Registered: 10/19/09
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I believe the testing is paid for by the person requesting aid, and as someone who was required to take drug tests in order to maintain his Goverment Issued License I guess I don't see what the problem is. Of course I don't have a problem either.
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#654233 - 01/14/11 11:51 PM
Re: Requiring drug tests for welfare and unemployment?
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Village Idiot
Registered: 12/06/09
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I voluntarily applied for my job, and one of the conditions of my employment was a drug test. When I hire an employee for my company, one of the conditions is a drug test. Drug testing is a good way to keep drug addicts off of the welfare system. Being against drug testing allows the drug addicts, meth heads, crack whores etc. To remain on the system. Anyone have a better suggestion for getting drug addicts off public assistance? I would submit that a large percentage of you who are against drug testing are also current or rather recent drug users yourselves, so you are biased, if not baked on the issue.
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