Just glad my company is not located in Seattle. Why is this the city council's business?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016188951_paidsickleave13m.html

As always, Seattle, San Frans' slutty little sister city. Anything they can do we can do better. I think paid employer sex changes are next. Come on city council you are behind the times.

I'm all for sick leave, but it seems weird for a city to legislate it. Does a city actually have this kind of authority?

Sg

I'm not against sick leave either, as long as it is understood exactly how much it amounts to. The problem arises when the employer hires one thing and gets something entirely different. If I say my employee has one day a month sick leave, then that is exactly what it means. Not sick leave for the new baby, wife, etc. How can an employer hire a "family" when all he wants is one employee?

Benefits don't need to be legislated. Don't like your benefits? Improve yourself and get a better job.

All this will do is zip. The employers will figure out the added cost for employee plus taxes / L&I / ect. Then simply no raise or higher co pay or something ................... then the last one, cut back on employees to cover the added payroll cost.

Gotta love the PC fools as they try to save the world.

Well AM I was IWA before IAM and we CHOSE not to have sick days but instead negotiated GREAT medical as a whole. Paid sick leave is a very abused item and my wife would build to the max then sell it back or loose it. In my case if sick call in sick, after three days they wanted a Doc's verification but no problem. We all preferred the almost ZERO co-pay or dependant charges with eye and full dental over sick days.

I wonder if we shouldn't adopt the Japanese custom of wearing a mask when sick. I know you would look silly, but if a mask could stop the spread of airborne contagions. I also think it would cut down on the risk of acquiring a contagion through touch, because a person is far less likely to wipe their nose or cough directly into their hands if a mask is worn.

Just an idea, and not one I would die on a hill for defending it.

As an employer, I do pay my employees sick leave. But, that's my decision. I had an employee who had worked for me for 5 years have a hernia operation. Instead of going on L&I, I paid him for his 6 weeks off. But, that's my decision, not a decision for the city council to make. If my employees work hard they rarely see less than 40 hours on their check even if they work a bit less. Again, that's the employer's decision.

As Poodle Smolt said, if you don't like where you're working or the benefits that are offered do something else.

I had an employee who was young and dumb. He had a kid they couldn't afford to have in the first place. He asked me one day why my wife and I didn't have children and I told him we were saving our money and wife was working towards her Masters Degree so we could take care of a child or two when the time came. His response to me was "why can't the state just pay for it?" You can take it from there.

Everyone should have 3-5 day's sick leave per year.But it shouldn't be a law that makes it happen.Go get a flu shot,then head out on the OP this winter for some metal in 30-40 degree weather and don't worry about being or getting sick.Just sayin.Good luck,
SZ

Remember when the Family Leave Act was going to cost companies billions?

Well, it didn't. It was all just a bunch of sniveling about nothing.

Businesses and their owners just like to cry like little bitches about everything - just like their employees do.

+1

If the canard that businesses could self-regulate were true, city councils wouldn't have to force them to do what's ethical and moral.

I knew I could depend on you.

Good for them.

Republicans with a warm heart................whodathunkit?

96 hours? WTF is sick for 12 days a year?

My company pays you half-time for sick leave. That is a motivation not to abuse the policy, even though some still do. I think employees would abuse the privilege for sure if they paid full rate.

What does any of this have to do with the Seattle City Council writing policy for your company?

If you have more than 5 employees do you want to be responsible for 2 weeks of "sick leave" per employee when you are barely getting by. This isn't about big corporations. It's about small companies with very small margins trying to get by in very difficult times. I'm guessin you know nothint about that. Only an assumption on my part.

And an idiotic one at that.

But way to live up to expectations.

Dan, before you get on your step ladder to talk to another adult read what I said before.




This isn't the exeption these days. It's more common than you may think.

I'm guessin' another assumption you're making is that if you allow 2 weeks paid sick leave per employee, each and every employee is going to take all 14 days.

Sure, some may, but that's a reflection of management and the environment the leadership team espouses.

Most won't abuse it. The best employees ask for nothing until it's needed and when it is the best employers will take care of them.



But, the question is the same. Why is it the Seattle City Council's job to legislate this? Doesn't even seem to be within their legal right.


Are y'all happy with CAO?

Good answer. Walking up that step ladder take too much out of you to address my question?

Didn't expect an answer or response. I deal with people who have opinions all the time. Having a solution to a question/problem/issue is another story.

From the article: Businesses with five to 49 employees must provide a minimum of five paid sick days.

Where did you get two weeks from that?

Maybe your margins are so thin because you're a bad businessman, or you deliver a bad product. Maybe if you weren't such a c0ck, your employees would work harder for you, and not use the sick days unless they were deathly ill?

Who gives a f.uck what your knuckleheaded employee said? Maybe if you had higher standards in employees, you could make enough money to pay for sick leave.

Step ladder? Funny.

Unless they're Union.....

It's hilarious to hear a dipchit (not you wntrrn) espouse the purity of a chitty council as "ethical and moral" yet despise business.

Those chitty council members are the capitals of business and development, real estate, etc. I guess once a POS big business, rape and pillage MF'r gets elected to chitty council they become pure as the driven snow.tff

And my solution is for you to go kill yourself.

As stated before. I do pay sick leave, vacation, holidays, etc. But, why is it the government's job to legislate it? Still a question you won't answer.

Yes, I did get my days wrong. so I'm off by a week. Been putting in too many 12's and 16's for months on end to make ends meet. And, as stated, I'm not in Seattle so it really doesn't affect me. But, we should be concerned with what's going on.

When did it become the City's business to pass this kind of legislation? Just answer that simple question. Maybe that's over your head.



Insults can be tossed by 2 yo's.

Are you retarded?

I never made the case that it WAS the city council's place to stick their nose into it.

I'm just tired of your sniveling.

The bill exempts businesses with fewer than five employees and new businesses during their first two years of operation. Businesses with five to 49 employees must provide a minimum of five paid sick days.

You may be tired of my sniveling but you haven't even attempted to answer 1 of the questions asked. Instead, you bash, 'cause you can't do no better. Get a taller ladder. You might be able to see over the hedge. Plenty of people to pat you on the back but that's what friends do.

I'm not sniveling. I'm still doing business in a less than friendly business environment. My employees are still being paid, I'm just hoping in the next few months I'll be able to write myself a paycheck. That would be nice. Legislation like this is not helping small business or anyone else trying to make it in this environment right now.

12 and 16 hours without overtime, I expect. Something most workers never think about. Eventually more business will be moving out of Seattle. I also suspect fewer vacation days are used these days. Some survey said Americans get less paid time off than other countries. Not surprised.

If people want paid time off for being sick, prepare to give up your right to smoke, drink or do crazy [censored] that lands you in the hospital.

I personally don't get overtime. I don't qualify for unemployment or disablility. So, It's just me trying to make things work. And, while others here may brand me a certain way, I look after my employees and their families in ways that most companies won't. I own the business and work nights. Not one of my employees does the same. All they want is a raise. I wouldn't expect other people to understand that because we really shouldn't have to work that hard, right?

Awwww.

Are you going to be OK, Sally?

The only thing I need a ladder for is to stay above all the sand pouring out of your mangina.

If you want a question answered, try google.com I didn't answer your question because I think you're a dick.

Sorry if I touched your cervix. Seems I'm not the only one who rubs that thing the way you can only rub it right.

I did. He has 2 kids now. We helped him set up a a work schedule so both he and his wife could work...... While still having some time together. I did give a f.uck. It may not matter to you or anyone else but it does to me and that's what counts. I think his family feels the same way.

Sheeeet, Stam.......you talkin' responsibility here?

Here?



While I liked most of what you spewed, everybody needs a little help occasionally. Sorting the wheat from the chaff is another matter, especially with a government who favors and savors "special" cases.

219k on my '97 chev, btw.

I guess my company pays sick time because they think their high-grade employees are worth keeping.



And you can believe it when I say they get every penny's worth out of me at work.........just like they should.

I haven't taken a sick day in three years, and my paid-for Tacoma has 235K on it.

That explains a lot.



Sorry Chuck...............I couldn't help myself.

Hmmm, can't remember when I last took a sick day. Used to get a bad cold or flu twice a year, almost like clockwork. Then started taking vitamins 9 years ago and have had a cold only 3 times since, but medical science says "there's no proof." Anyway, now have over 1100 hours of sick leave built up, so I'll still get paid if/when I'm on my death bed, or lose it when I retire. Annual leave, now that manages to stay well below the annual "use it or lose it" limit.

I do like sick leave. What I don't like are those employees who think they're so damn indispensable that they come to work hackin' like a dog, giving everyone else whatever they've got. Then again, those types are typically disrespectful of others every day, sick or not. I digress . . .

Paid for car is up to 156k, but the check engine light came on last Friday.

I don't have a problem with sick leave at all, but I have a problem with a government adding unneeded regulations to my business. If you run a bad business and the employees do not feel like they are treated fairly your talent will leave and your business will fail.

Why does the government always feel the need to pander to the least common denominator? Who does this policy help out, really?

We (my little company) sets our leave policy to meet the industry standards, and to attract the type of employees we desire. We don't have "sick leave" per say just paid leave, for whatever you want it to be. We give an extra 5 days of paid leave on top of the industry standards to make up for the sick leave we don't show as sick leave. We also have a no-argument policy on being sick. If someone comes in and is sniffling or coughing, we send them home. They can choose to be paid or not. I have even forced the senior partner here to go home. No one abuses the policy because we are in a production-oriented business. No product, no job.

I worked for the gov't for a while and I always thought it was so dumb to have to call in sick to fish. Now I can call in "Rivers in shape" to fish and it makes much more sense. Of course with smart phones and remote work stations, I can get work done from the river and life is even easier.

I'd help you, stam.

Those are "I'm the boss, paychecks are in the top drawer, if you have any problems call me, otherwise I'll see you next Tuesday," days.

Instead of averaging in the "sick leave" pay into your costs, why not just pay the employees a higher wage...same with all benefits, just pay the employee and let him/her buy what coverages they choose ? So one employee gets sick and doesn't work a few days, seems logical that the employee that didn't get sick (and put in more days working) will make more money for the year.

My father is a retired HS science teacher, he missed two days in 30 years. When he retired he got a check for 14k dollars 1/3 of what he had accumalated.

Huh?

NSLR (not sick leave related)

This thread reminds me of a guy I seen at the market a while back. He filled his soda cup, took a big drink, then refilled it and put on a lid and set it on the counter. He noticed the clerk looking at him, so he stated that every soda should come with a free drink off the top. He thought of himself as very smart, and elaborated about the need for a law making the first drink free...

Oh, you mean buying votes?

I used up all my sick leave. Next time I get sick I'm calling in dead!

Uncalled for, AM.

Dan doesn't believe in sick leave.





He does, however, believe in F I R I N G !!!