By the way Chuck...they check for alcohol just like the police do with a breathalyzer test, except the legal limit is much lower.


I am not a right-winger, I am not a left winger...I am a centrist. I think that both sides of the aisle have as many good ideas as they do bad. I think if you look at my past postings you could see that if you wouldn't get your t-backs in a twist so fast.

Medicinal marijuana is gray area as you know Marsha....

They're also making the assumption that the people on welfare are buying the drugs. How do they know the drugs weren't someone else's that were shared?

And what's next? The state monitors that you're not wasting your welfare check on gambling? Or buying unhealthy food? After all, if the state can control what food the recipient purchases, they could effectively reduce Medicaid costs.

More big gubmint.

If the laws allow for prescribed medicinal marijuana, then I would see that as an exception.

I don't understand why you think it is OK for someone that wants a job to be drug tested, but for someone that is not employed and wants/needs to apply for welfare the subject of drug testing is unapproachable and a risk to everyone's liberty.

Jobs that require drug testing are those that affect public safety.

I don't think you can make that case for welfare recipients. They might be a danger to themselves, but they're not really a threat to public safety.

Drug testing Companies

Ok...you win. I see the point now. Thank you

"I don't think you can make that case for welfare recipients. They might be a danger to themselves, but they're not really a threat to public safety."

Seriously?

Yeah - seriously.

Is your safety compromised by a weed-smoking welfare recipient?

Or are you just a bedwetter who percieves everything as a threat?

If that evil sticky icky was legalized not demonized there would be an opportunity to utilize a cash crop to generate all types of employment from blue collar to white collar occupations. I believe the creation of these jobs would make a huge subtracting dent in the number of people on welfare. While there at it bring home our troops and put them on herb security detail.

You did not specify weed you said drugs. You knew you could not defend the blanket drugs statement so you modified it in a chicken [censored] attempt to not look like a UW or WSU BA recipient. I suppose you are right I would feel just as safe at Yesler Terrace as I would in Broadmore.

not every job drug tests. usually the jobs that test due to safety or security concerns. neither of those concerns exist for people who are on public assistance.

should drug tests be required of social security recipients?
how about drug tests for upper management of any company doing federal projects?
how about farmers that get farm subsidies?

the fact is that these drug test policies are part of the new conservative game plan to blame and punish the least among us. there is no fiscal reason for doing it, and the rates of positive drug tests (1-2%) don't warrant the expense and invasiveness of drug tests. i would rather the recipients of assistance spend their time looking for work or taking care of their kids than waiting in line somewhere to piss in a cup.

i hear the ghost of saint ronnie crying "welfare queens...."

Drug testing of welfare applicants will not save money, nor will it make anyone more safe, or more healthy...kinda leaves the list of reasons why to do it pretty short.

Fish on...

Todd

So Joad is a bedwetter, then.

Thought so.

If you go light yourself on fire today, you won't have to worry about wetting the bed tonight.

You're just mad that you looked like such a doorknob in the health insurance thread, aren't you?

If someone paid for unsupportble claims you would be a gazillionaire.

And you'd still be a dope, and a bedwetter.

Todd,

I agree, it would save money both public and private. HUD spends a great deal every year in enforcement and mitigation of its housing policies. HUD guidelines are very specific about drug use for tenants and owner operators of public assisted housing. The real question is what would be the effect of creating a permanent class of homeless drug users. We are in the process of creating a homeless/jobless criminal class right now with other screening programs. All the new studies are showing it is cheaper to house these people in the long run that it is to deal with each individual issue that arises from their behavior over time. But make no mistake there is a correlation between poverty, drug use and violence.

where does the drug testing stop?

let's not forget that gov. scott of florida also wants the testing to be done on all public employees.

funny how they only go after "liberal" constituents that receive public funds.

How much ya wanna bet Rick Scott is somehow tied financially to the drug testing apparatus in Florida?

Jobs that require drug testing are those that affect public safety.


What? wrong. My company drug tests everybody but it supposedly random. I don't think they would hire Harley or Todd or Salmo....etc