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#717544 - 11/11/11 06:23 PM Re: Wall Street Protest * [Re: ]
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Colin Powell is a pretty smart guy.
You could say the same thing about Baseball, Chevrolet, and Republicans. (I'm sure I'm leaving out a couple of others.) wink
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#717771 - 11/12/11 09:12 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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"The GOP campaign to aid the wealthy has left America unable to raise the money needed to pay its bills."



Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/new...9#ixzz1dXzxgbTg

Uh Oh, the GOP outed by the press of being exactly what they are, whores for the wealthy!!! Who would have thunk it.....

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#717774 - 11/12/11 09:39 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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UH-Oh, the Repugnants are caught with their hand in the cookie Jar!

"Reagan's cadre of small-government conservatives, the resulting red ink could be a win-win. "We started talking about just cutting taxes and saying, 'Screw the deficit,'" Bartlett recalls. "We had this idea that if you lowered revenues, the concern about the deficit would be channeled into spending cuts."

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/new...9#ixzz1dY72dkjd


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Edited by Somethingsmellsf (11/12/11 09:40 PM)
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#717778 - 11/12/11 10:17 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Mayor Fag Adams has ordered that the tents come down in Portland. Who knows what to expect? The Occupy "Government" insists they are non-violent meanwhile the cops are removing IEDs, Bricks and material used to reinforce positions (420 hotel).

I believe that thier is a core of "believers" who will be non violent and will be arrested. I also think their is going to be a huge battle with the Anarchists and other idiots witout a clue.

(Most of this gatered from this article http://www.katu.com/news/local/133712383.html)

This link would appear to be live TV of whatever occurs. (Might take some effort to get it to work) http://www.katu.com/news/live
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#717979 - 11/14/11 01:40 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Is there supposed to be some kind of a point here or are we just supposed to imagine it like most of the other things you try to convey?

What a dumbass!

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#717980 - 11/14/11 02:08 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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With regards to Colin Powell's statements, I really like this article:

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/protesters-have-the-right-to-protest.html

Top Military Commander and Courts Support Right to Protest

In response to comments from those supporting the police crackdowns on peaceful protesters exercising their constitutional rights but violating local ordinances (see comments here), reader Purplemuse writes:

The Constitution supersedes local ordinances that are being used to OBSTRUCT 1st Amendment Rights. The camping ITSELF is in order to MAKE A STATEMENT – a First Amendment Right. Protesters are not camping because it is fun to expose yourself to the elements and hardship and you want to roast wienies and marshmallows and drink beer while swapping ghost stories.

Would you listen to Colin Powell, retired four-star general in the United States Army, Powell also served as National Security Advisor (1987–1989), as Commander of the U.S. Army Forces Command (1989) and as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (1989–1993) when he says, “It isn’t enough just to scream at the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. We need our political system to start reflecting this anger back into, ‘How do we fix it? How do we get the economy going again?’” He also states that the Occupy Wall Street Protests are “As American as Apple Pie.”

Does he go on to qualify his statement by saying, “as long as they obey local (misdemeanor) ordinances. No, he does not. He actually goes on to say that he “gets” it.

If a man, well above your rank, that you’d likely drop everything to stand up in a room to honor, “gets” that peaceful protests, by design (that’s why they are referred to as ‘civil disobedience’) infringe on ordinances and make the public uncomfortable in order to be heard, are as American as Apple Pie; do you think you could set your fear of disobedience aside long enough to defend those protesters against physical harm for exercising those American as Apple Pie Rights? If you can’t than I think you need to join the ranks of officers who simply “do as they are told” and jab petite women in the spleen with billy clubs (as in Berkeley) in order to incite a riot. (BTW: They did not succeed, Berkeley stood firm in determined peace).


Of course, it’s not just Powell. Veterans from every branch of the military – and across 3 generations – are coming out to support the “occupy” protests.

And in response to the Berkeley police saying that linking arms and resisting attempts to clear a space is an act of “violence”, reader David writes:

It is every citizen’s duty to resist false arrest

There is no such crime as “resisting arrest.” This is a fictitious crime dreamed up by law enforcement to accuse a citizen of a crime when they refuse to surrender to the illegal demands of the police.

The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled on numerous occasions that resisting a false arrest is not merely a citizen’s right, but his duty! In fact, the Supreme Court has gone so far as to rule that if a law enforcement officer is killed as a result of actions stemming from a citizen’s attempts to defend themselves against a false arrest, it is the fault of the officer, not the citizen.

Here’s a short collection of relevant court rulings on false arrest and resisting arrest:

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

Do individuals have the right to come to the aid of another citizens being falsely arrested? You bet they do. As another court case ruled:

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

And on the issue of actually killing an arresting officer in self defense:

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

I believe that violence discredits the entire protest movement. I therefore hope that the protesters remain peaceful, even when confronted with unlawful arrests. However, as David points out, the police have no right to make unlawful arrests in the first place.
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#717981 - 11/14/11 04:19 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Maybe the protesters would have an easier time if they donated $4.6 million to the NYPD like JP Morgan did.

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#717983 - 11/14/11 06:02 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: cupo]
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Are these the lazy good for nothing unemployed youth who should go and get a job?? "Unemployment tops 20 percent among 18-to-24-year-old veterans, compared with a national rate of about 9 percent, Department of Labor figures show. And the situation is expected to worsen after 10,000 service members return from Afghanistan and 46,000 come home from Iraq by year's end - many wounded or suffering from mental trauma."

Seattle Times link
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#717984 - 11/14/11 07:14 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: BroodBuster]
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Seniors get socialism, young Americans get debt..................Horsey's take. I don't agree with him very often but do this time.............

Horsey cartoon
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#718019 - 11/14/11 11:55 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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The Problem: Criminalization of Dissent

Similarly, in response to DC protesters being struck by a car, police cited the protesters – instead of the driver – and then promised to “get tough” with the protesters.

The bigger issue is that dissent has become criminalized in modern America.


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/r...s-unlawful.html

So the thought police are now in charge?

Parker-great article on Colin Powell.

Fishy
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#718022 - 11/14/11 12:04 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Parker-great article on Colin Powell.

Fishy


Yeah, Nice one Parker! rolleyes
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#718029 - 11/14/11 12:22 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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It's ok...I think Ryley stole it off my facebook page, anyway wink

Fish on...

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#718032 - 11/14/11 12:39 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Sky-Guy]
Somethingsmellsf Offline
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Parker-great article on Colin Powell.

Fishy


Yeah, Nice one Parker! rolleyes


BIG OOOPS!!!!!!!!!!

Then my connection went down so could not correct it, course NOBODY else saw it.

Sorry Sky Guy- Great article!


Fishy
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#718277 - 11/15/11 10:29 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
The ought to make the slimers pay the entire clean up bill.


Why? They don't make the dumbass's that get lost or skiers that go out of bounds or any number of dumbass's pay for their actions so why single out people during a civil disobedience?


Fishy
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#718289 - 11/15/11 10:57 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: AuntyM
You can camp in my garden Hank... as soon as I spread more goat poop on it.
That would result in over fertilizing.
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#718294 - 11/15/11 11:18 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Goat poop. Damn I wish i had some.
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#718300 - 11/15/11 11:56 AM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
The ought to make the slimers pay the entire clean up bill.


I think that's a fare request, just like wanting Wall Street to pay back every dime they took from the government bailout program.
And while were at it they can give back all the houses that were foreclosed on, and give back all the jobs that were lost.

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#718305 - 11/15/11 12:11 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: Illahee]
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Judge orders New York to allow protesters, tents, in park


http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/15/us/new-york-occupy-eviction/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

smile

Let the games begin...


Fishy
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#718385 - 11/15/11 06:21 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Edited by Vasiliy (11/15/11 06:22 PM)

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#718466 - 11/15/11 11:44 PM Re: Wall Street Protest [Re: ]
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Goat Poop Party at 5th and Pine ends with flea bags pepper sprayed

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Occupy-S...-133930088.html

Please don't block traffic. It only makes people mad.
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