If an occupier can't keep his/her camping space clean, I wouldn't hire them.

The statistics may prove how hard it is to get a job, but it is appearing to many that those aren't the reasons why the protestors don't have a job.
I think most people are realizing that this is not the face of unemployed america, and if it is, there isn't much hope for the future.

People put up with them for a while because they were drawing attention to a real problem, but realized too soon that most were an embarassing, lazy, dirty, drug laced group that were detracting more than helping.

I'm aware that math and logic usually hold true more frequently than stereotypes. You can keep trying to make conclusions about me but you'll still end up missing the target and look like a douchenozzle doing so.

Momma always told me not to stereotype.... However, they exist because *often* times they are true and hold enough significance to the point that they are valid (to a degree, not always, but sometimes yes).

I understand the job environment is getting more and more difficult due to globalization..However, if all these companies are outsourcing work, it doesn't change the playing field for all the potential applicants within the US. We're all fighting for the same domestic jobs whether there are 4 openings per every 5 potential applicants or this 1:5 ratio you have a fetish about. Yes, it blows that there are fewer jobs available. That's not the unemployed's fault. THE INDIVIDUAL IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR PRESENTING THEMSELVES AS THE BEST AVAILABLE CANDIDATE, NO MATTER HOW MANY COMPETITORS ARE SEEKING THE SAME JOB..... What part of this don't you understand?

Globalization/outsourcing reduces the amount of domestic jobs available, but applicants still have to show they are more worthy of employment than every other applicant, whether there are jobs galore or slim pickings... That's what you don't understand. I'm not blaming the unemployed for the lack of jobs available. That part sucks and there's not a lot we can do to change that, at least in any hurry. But whether I'm applying for a job against 1000 people or just one other person, it's still my responsibility to market myself better and present myself better than the other person(s). The amount of jobs per applicants is irrelevant. YOUR STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR OUT-COMPETING THE OTHER APPLICANTS, AND THAT IS IRREGARDLESS OF HOW MANY JOBS ARE OPEN AND HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU ARE COMPETING AGAINST..

All along I've said this Aunty. You seem to think that because there are fewer jobs available that it's someone else's fault for not getting hired. The typical blame game bull$hit where it's always some elses fault. Life's a b!tch, no one said it was easy. Sack up and outwork the bull$hit and blame yourself for you own shortcomings. America is getting so soft and the people are becoming such pussies that everyone looks to blame someone else any time they come up short.

Put this in fishing terms (if you ever get off your a$$ and wet a line that is...) to make this easier on you.....

5 people fishing in a river for 1 steelhead. Everyone has a different tactic to hook that fish (which is exactly the case in job interviews, everyone presents themselves as a different candidate to land that job) and the guy who tailors his presentation to the application the best catches that one fish. (just like the guy who applies and interviews better than every other candidate...)

Same situation, 5 guys on a river bank, but there are a few more fish to catch (representing a few more jobs in a better economy). You're still responsible for being better than the other guys in order to catch that fish/job. It's not entirely the fisherman's fault for the lack of steelhead.

But under your mindset, it's not their fault that they didn't catch a fish because their simply weren't enough.... In reality, there's fewer fish available, but there are still some. Just like the job landscape. There are jobs available, albeit few, but you still have to present yourself better than the rest regardless of how many people you're fighting against.

I agree, it's not really the fishermans fault for the lack of fish (jobs) available. But that doesn't mean it's not their fault for not finding a job. The unemployed don't have much to do with the fact that there aren't many job openings. But to get HIRED, you still have to be better than the rest, whether there many jobs available or just a few.

You truly have my sympathy, Aunty. The man presented you with a
coupla pretty good analogies and all you can come up with is a BS
and a personal attack.
My son manages a facility in Everett, two or three hundred employees
I believe. He is constantly looking for quality applicants. He has a
tough time finding them. Ones that can pass a drug screen and
actually have the background or will to work. Some come in as
managers, some at the bottom of the ladder. There is a ladder, that's
important. Learn to climb.
I got broad shoulders so, give me your best trash talk. lol

duh, i tink i understood

did u, Ranty? huh? did ya? huh?

Your logic is flawed.

5 fishermen and 1 steelhead: Fisherman number 1 catches and bonks the steelhead. This leaves 4 fishermen and 0 steelhead. Zero steelhead. If there are no steelhead to catch, then what are the fishermen to do?

Let them eat cake.

"Your logic is flawed.

5 fishermen and 1 steelhead: Fisherman number 1 catches and bonks the steelhead. This leaves 4 fishermen and 0 steelhead. Zero steelhead. If there are no steelhead to catch, then what are the fishermen to do?"

Then you start fishing for trout or bass or something.

There are jobs out there for some. May not be the exact job you went to school for, may not be your dream job, the location you desire, hours/shift you wanted. Lots of people have jobs they don't like but when you need to feed your family and pay your bills I would think you would take any job vice camp out at some state park or college campus.

Then you head on down to Capitol Lake and become an "occupy olympia" resident....

Knuckle,

Your logic is flawed too. Even if the 5 job applicants (or fishermen) are the 5 best in the world, the most prepared, highly skilled, etc., at the end of the day, one of them gets the job (or fish), and the other 4 remain unemployed. No one is questioning or saying that there aren't a bunch of whiny sleaze bags who only get hired when the work force is tapped out, and any idiot with a pulse can get a job. This is not then. There are highly skilled, ambitious people who can present themselves better than you can present yourself, but when the number of highly qualified and ambitious applicants outnumbers the available jobs by a significant margin, as is presently the case, then very good workers are going to remain unemployed.

I do wonder however, how it is that so many apples went unpicked in WA this year. The pay is not great, but it is not bad (can't be too bad if McDougal Orchards paid WA state $22/hr to provide prison inmates to pick), and the work is hard. Even at my age, I'd pick apples before taking an unemployment check. Sorry for the tangent.

The upshot is those who think there are jobs for anyone willing enough to work hard enough at it are basing their perspective on the worst of the work force out there, using the term loosely. Those folks are generally known as the last hired, first fired. Society always has some of those, the type that often can't get a job when the economy is humming along. Those are not the only kind of people unable to find work these days.

Sg

LOS ANGELES (AP) — The mayor of Los Angeles set a deadline for anti-Wall Street protesters to leave an encampment by City Hall, while demonstrators elsewhere in California took their message about corporate greed to Black Friday shoppers, at times facing off with police.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa lauded the Occupy movement for "awakening the country's conscience," but he said that after 56 days, the encampments that flank the two grassy areas adjacent to City Hall must be removed by 12:01 a.m. Monday for public health and safety reasons.

At an afternoon news conference with police Chief Charlie Beck, Villaraigosa said the movement that has spread in two months from New York to numerous other U.S. cities has "awakened the country's conscience" — but also trampled grass at City Hall that must be restored.

"The movement is at a crossroads," the mayor said. "It is time for Occupy LA to move from holding a particular patch of park land to spreading the message of economic justice and signing more people up for the push to restore the balance to American society."

The camp of about 485 tents was unsustainable because public health and safety could not be maintained, and the park had to be cleared, cleaned and restored for the public's access, he said.

Later Friday, protesters demonstrated in the streets near San Francisco's tony and touristy Union Square during the annual Macy's Christmas tree lighting ceremony, disrupting traffic but otherwise causing few other problems.

Lines of police officers in riot gear faced off with dozens of demonstrators who were trying to discourage shoppers from shopping at Macy's and other stores in the popular tourist area.

Demonstrators used signs to spread an anti-consumerism message. One, 9-year-old Jacob Hamilton, held a sign that read, "What is in your bag that's more important than my education?"

Earlier, some of the protesters from the Occupy movements in San Francisco and Oakland clashed with police when they briefly blocked the city's iconic cable cars until officers pushed them out of the street.

Some of the participants in what protesters called "Don't Buy Anything Day" sat down in the middle of Market Street, San Francisco's main thoroughfare, and blocked traffic while chanting, "Stop shopping and join us!"

"I wanted us both to be here for the children," said protester Steve Hamilton, a screenwriter who traveled to the city from Winters, Calif., with his son Jacob. "I see how the education deficit directly affects the schools; how the teachers struggle with so many kids in the classrooms and a lack of books. It's not fair to this generation."

A group of about 20 Occupy protesters in Sacramento marched from a park to a small outdoor mall where many of the storefronts are empty. A police officer on a bicycle trailed the crowd.

A few puzzled shoppers, many toting large shopping bags, stopped to stare at the crowd as they read a manifesto asking people to support local merchants.

At a Macy's store, the group stayed for several minutes chanting slogans such as, "They call it profit; we call it robbery." Several shoppers crowded around taking photos with their cellphones.

In Emeryville, a small city on San Francisco Bay, more than 60 people attended a Native American community's 10th annual Black Friday protest of the Bay Street Mall.

Corrina Gould, a lead organizer for Indian People Organizing for Change, said the goal is to educate shoppers that the mall was built in 2002 on a sacred Ohlone burial site.

About one-third of the people came from neighboring Oakland's Occupy movement, and Gould said having the new voices was invigorating.

In his comments, Villaraigosa told campers to start packing up their tents and said he believed the move would be peaceful, unlike some of the tumult other cities have seen.

"I'm proud of the fact that this has been a peaceful, non-violent protest," he said. "I trust that we can manage the closure of City Hall Park in the same spirit of cooperation."

Outside City Hall, Occupy LA protester Opamago Casciani, 20, said he found the Mayor's priorities insulting, and he intends to continue demonstrating peacefully through the deadline.

In response to the Mayor's comments, Casciani said "What I got from it is 'I value grass more than the people.'"

Beck said police will be patient with laggards who were working to leave at the time of the deadline — but said the city's law enforcement will no longer look the other way.

"After 56 days of not enforcing three city laws that prohibit the use of that park, the time is now," said Beck.

Pick up the paper.......look at the help wanted section......it's not empty........hmmmmmmmmmmm

To think, I used to get hammered for Cut and Paste. Oh the irony.
By the way. Life is a gift. Use it or lose it.

"Then perhaps they should do so, and decrease the surplus population." Ebenezer Scrooge, 1843

Long term solution to a short term problem.

Crime goes up too.

So did Black Friday spending.

So, they're looking for jobs.....??????????


VICTORIA — An overdose of cocaine and heroin killed Ashlie Gough, the 23-year-old Victoria woman who died at the Occupy Vancouver protest last weekend.

Owen Court, Metro Vancouver regional coroner, said Saturday that the investigation found that a mixture of the two drugs proved fatal.

Gough’s family have been told the cause of death, he said.

"We have indications from those close to her that Ashlie was a recreational user of illicit drugs," Court said.

"The use of cocaine and heroin, either independently or together, is very high-risk behaviour."

The drugs would have been used shortly before she died at the protest site, Court said.

Gough arrived at Occupy Vancouver about one day before her death and was believed to be visiting friends for the weekend rather than taking part in the protest.

Gough grew up in Victoria. She had a passion for art, including body-piercing and tattooing, and loved to travel with her boyfriend, Kegan Munro.

Gough’s death added fuel to demands from some groups that the Occupy Vancouver and Victoria campsites be closed down for safety reasons.




A man suffered from an apparent drug overdose at the "Occupy Santa Cruz" encampment at a city park Wednesday night, police said.

Officers responded at 9:40 p.m. to the camp at 137 Dakota Ave. at San Lorenzo Park for a possible drug overdose, police said Reno resident Tyler Forshey, 20, was lying outside of a tent and seemed to be under the influence of heroin, police said.

Forshey admitted to police he had injected heroin, allegedly in one of the tents. He said he believed he had not lost consciousness and was awake as someone pushed on his chest before police arrived, according to police.

Forshey was taken to a hospital where he was cited and released for being under the influence of heroin, police said.




EUGENE, Ore. (KMTR) -- Occupy Eugene protestors are speaking out regarding an alleged drug overdose inside of the camp on Saturday evening.

Around 4 p.m. on Saturday, November 19th, 2011, Eugene Police and paramedics were called out to the Occupy Eugene camp at the Washington-Jefferson Park off 6th Avenue.

Emergency responders were told that a man in his 30's had overdosed on heroin, passing out near other Occupy protestors with a shallow pulse. Protestors immediately called 911. Two protestors on scene including a registered nurse and a doctor then gave the man CPR for about 8 minutes before paramedics arrived.

Occupy Eugene protestors say when paramedics arrived, the man was stabilized and seen sitting up and talking.

The man refused transport to the hospital by an ambulance. Occupy Eugene protestors gave him a ride to the hospital shortly there after.

Occupy Eugene protestors released a statement Sunday, saying, “Due to the Occupy camp’s presence the situation was reacted to quickly and effectively with volunteer medical professionals on site when the overdose occurred, an immediate call placed to 9-1-1 and follow through medical assistance.”



PORTLAND, Ore. – Police say protesters inside the Occupy Portland camp are making improvised weapons.

According to Lieutenant Robert King, protesters alerted police on Friday about the weapons and officers confiscated them. Protesters also told police about a man who they said planned to damage police cars parked near the camp, King said.

Officers found the man, who had a six-foot long bamboo pole, and he gave it up. Police said no damage was done to any of their cars and no arrest was necessary.

Also Friday, police and medical personnel said they found a man suffering from a drug overdose at the camp. He was revived and taken to a hospital.

They also revived a woman in her 20s from a drug overdose Saturday morning. She was also taken to a hospital for treatment.




Second drug overdose at Occupy Portland
By admin on November 10, 2011 in Oregon

From Gateway Pundit

Occupy Portland protesters surrounded the tent where medical personnel were treating a man suffering from a drug overdose. The man was using heroin he purchased at the camp.
The Portland Police reported:

On Wednesday November 9, 2011, Portland Police officers working the Occupy Portland encampments at Chapman and Lownsdale Square Parks, responded to the report of a man suffering from a drug overdose in a tent at Chapman Square. Officers found the man in a tent and he was blue and not breathing. Officers immediately began performing CPR and called for medical to respond. Medical personnel responded and were able to revive the man then transported him to an area hospital. Officers learned that the man used heroin purchased within the encampments.

During this police and medical response, nearly 100 people were gathered around the tent and not following police direction to allow medical personnel room to work on the patient. Officers worked with the Occupy Portland Peace & Safety Team to assist in moving people away from the patient.

This is the second overdose in as many days in the encampments.

Portland Police officers also made several arrests and issued several exclusions related to criminal activity.

29-year-old Brandon Steven Ash was arrested for a parole violation after observing him smoking marijuana in Lownsdale Square.

24-year-old Tyler Nees was given a citation and excluded from Lownsdale Square after officers observed him drinking a beer.

A 17-year-old male was observed smoking marijuana and was transported to JDH for various warrants out of Clackamas County.

18-year-old Alysha Schuler was issued a citation for Drugs in the Park.

Officers took another report from a member of the media about harassment from people in the Occupy Portland encampments. There have been several reports of harassment and physical confrontations of members of the media over the past 2 weeks.

22-year-old Maxwell Logan was contacted for smoking marijuana and found to have several warrants.

Portland Fire & Rescue responded to the report of a dumpster fire which did not cause any damage.

The Portland Police Bureau will continue to provide updates on arrests and public safety conditions within the Occupy Portland encampments.

They might qualify as lab rats.
Better living through chemistry.

Fumb Ducks

Some of those cretins are giving pot use a bad name! I thought police had better things to do these days besides arresting people for pot possession - until a week ago when, along with DEA, they raided 17 medical marijuana dispensaries. Now if anybody should be unemployed, it should be DEA. Talk about a bunch of societal leaches, taking taxpayer money to fight an unwinnable war at exhorbitant cost and nothing to show for it. They make the Occupy protestors look like contributing citizens.