The TV ads for the casinos always show all these fabulous, well-dressed wealthy - looking model dudes with hot chicks in lowcut gowns gambling, dancing and partying like they are in the casino at the Bellagio in Las Vegas...........

Stop in for a beer sometime and you will see nothing but stinky losers sporting wifebeaters, mullets, greasy trucker caps (and those are the women) and many missing teeth....and you will likely see some punches thrown on the dance floor if you're lucky.....

False advertising ya think?

nah?

I think it is ironic that the Law Givers believe they can modify the
human existence thru legislation. Gambling, Prostitution, recreational
chemicals, porn and what all have been around forever. Folks are
really just arguing about who gets a piece of the action.
I can't believe the taxaholics in Olympia are letting a live one get
away. Referring to the tribes.

Law Giver, isn't that what Hammurabi called himself? Todd prolly
knows.

Mingo< I would like to suggest that you actully walk into most any casino around here. You would be hard pressed to find anything like you described. Fights? I can't think of anywhere that there is more security.

Mostly when I go in to a casino I am heading strait for the cardroom. There you will find a very diverse crowd, from young to old. Some may occaisonaly drink, but for the most part when you are playing for $100 - 1000 you want to stay focused.

I think the truth is somewhere close to right in the middle between the sparkly happy crew and the wife beaters you describe.

Gutz, I'm sure your local cardroom is much better than what I saw, I admit my last two stop-ins for a beer were up north at the Tulalip Casino after hitting the Skagit and Sauk. I was only out in the area around the slots....and you are right about the security, they snowshoveled that brief fight up so quick it was amazing. I didn't see anyone close to TV-ad sparkly (us included, we were pretty beat from fishing all day) and my buddy and I were laughing about it the last time.....this looked like a Jonas family reunion.............but damn people were playing those slots nonstop. I'm not a gambler so I can't relate.

"State records show tribal casinos had an estimated $1.95 billion in net receipts in fiscal year 2011, up from $1.57 billion in 2009." Seattle Times Dec,5th,2011

How about 1% tax on the tribes on the net? Wait......

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Tribes-give-big-to-Gregoire-avoid-sharing-casino-1276446.php

Sumbitch

It is just crazy to think we have a 2 billion dollar industry going tax free.

Carry on!

"It is just crazy to think we have a 2 billion dollar industry going tax free."

We don't have an industry. The tribes do. And they aren't required and can't be made to pay taxes so they don't.

agreed we don't, Her small personal gain cost the State a stream of income.

More like a river.

Or you could think of it another way in that it WOULD HAVE cost the state plenty.

"It was almost like triggering a gambling arms race in the state," he said. "What would occur under the revenue sharing is that it would have led to an almost unlimited expansion of gambling -- unlimited tables, unlimited betting -- and that is something that the governor wanted to avoid."

Other states provide a model of what happens when tribal casinos enter into revenue sharing arrangements, Edwards said.

"It opens up a Pandora's box on gambling and where does it stop?" Edwards said.

Gregoire was protecting the state's interest, he said.

Some seem to want all out gambling state wide. Not me and not near me. I might be willing to let Auburn become the states gambling mecca though. Let the moral decay begin.....and lower housing values, prostitution, etc etc. All yours.

Gamblers are a finite resource, like junkies. More cardrooms or more slot machines in any geographic location will not increase the amount of gamblers.

You're dealing with a cultural subset with a mental disability that prevents them from using common sense logic and basic mathematics.
Is is morally wrong to take advantage of them?
With online poker, where the other 'players' are just auto-response software scripts and the deal is a pre-ordained scam, like computerized "slots" yes it is. But with table games, where the true odds are posted on signs that say

"every $1 you win, you will lose $37, (37:1) but we only pay a 1:19 ratio to increase our margin even further*"

The chump--umm I mean gambler--knows exactly WTF she's getting herself into from the get go but throws away her paycheck anyway.

Up here it seems OK when Vegas or Atlantic City or Sleazy Pete's in SeaTac does it, but when those Salmon-stealin' Injuns do it, it's a crime against humanity.

I think people should have the right to throw their money away anywhere they feel the need. No one is holding a gun to their heads.

I also think it is a joke that one segment of the population, that happens to be the tribes, getting a sweetheart deal from our govern after nice camp donations. It should make no difference if it was a corporation or the tribes....a payoff is a payoff.

The saddest part is the screaming we would hear if some Rep did this with a corporate spons. Bestbuy would be out of replacement keyboards as they would be burning up in mothers basements across the state. Instead we hear silence except the few who try to justify it by pulling the old RWWJ standby.....the moral highground.

Absolutly false. Poker is a game of skill. Those who are more proficient at analyzing hands using basic (not quite) math win more. Ever notice how the same poker players tend to end up at the final table?

As far as auto-response software, the sites do everything they can to identify these accounts and ban them, seizing thier accounts and redistributing the proceeds to those they have cheated.

Pre ordained? Who do you think that would benefit. The sites are money making machines. Time to legalize on line Poker and reap the benefits.

Benefits? Start with Taxation and then throw in all of the jobs that are currently offshore.

POKER IS NOT A CRIME!

Last time I was in Las Vegas(woodworking machinery show) I didn't gamble a penny.I was standing by a roulette table and from my vantage point I could see at least a couple thousand people gambling and then I spied the payout window---- one person in line.

So, you observed all of those thousand's of people lose all of thier money?

Most people set limits as to how much they are willing to lose. Playing slots or most table games you should probably think of it as a form of entertainment. How much would you spend to ski, or golf, or go to a concert?

Many people think of Poker as a business. They are very careful to play within thier means. It is callled "Bankroll Management"

Liquor in the front.

Poker in the rear.

"Many people think of Poker as a business."

Yeah and 99% are dirtbags living on the edge, divorced or soon to be divorced and their kids suffer the highs and lows. I'm thinking you haven't really seen a true addicted gambler. It's a sad sight.

Sorry AM but sport fishing there's no hoped for financial win fall. If you want to compare think of an idiot who thinks he's going to break the state record every time out and is willing to spend his house payment or the money to feed his kids on it.

Docspud, you just don't seem to get that the tribes are a foreign entity and not bound by our laws.

The ones who think "Many people think of Poker as a business." do.

Using your idiotic logic then pretty much anything you do or spend, is a gamble and justifies wholesale casinos statewide. Buy a new car? Gamble. New shoes? Gamble. Life is a gamble but in no way justifies Casino gambling. Play Russian Roulette if you want the ultimate gambling experience.

Reality isn't your strong suit.

Fishing is never a gamble, because you always win...you get to go fishing.

Fish on...

Todd

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