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#724634 - 12/11/11 05:43 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: Salmo g.]
Jerry Garcia Offline



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At least we now know where R P stands, instead of his view of another candidates view.
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#724641 - 12/11/11 06:32 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: Salmo g.]
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Registered: 10/19/09
Posts: 3731
Loc: Water
US Fish and Wildlife and NMFS could be combined.
Census should be handled at State Level
HUD and Postal Service either need to make a profit or give way to private sector.
Energy needs to be more contolled at state level
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#724682 - 12/11/11 09:40 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: SBD]
Salmo g. Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 13519
SBD,

Yes, USFWS and NMFS could be combined, but in what Department that remains after Commerce and Interior are eliminated. Census is specified as a federal function in the Constitution; therefore I don't see it working out under individual states. (Side note: Gary Locke as Commerce Sec. oversaw what likely was the best census ever; way better than anything he did as WA governor.) Don't know much about HUD, but I think the purpose of the USPS is to deliver the mail, not make a profit. Focus might be re-directed toward better efficiency to make it more cost effective, but Americans apparently like their Saturday mail delivery. Energy at the state level would be a clusterfvk since many federal energy projects are interstate, like what BPA oversees: WA, OR, ID, & MT. Same with TVA. And then have one state permit and regulate a utility with a dam in one state that floods another state with its reservoir. Uh, don't think so.

That's why I shared that RP proposal. People say stupid stuff without thinking through the ramifications. If those federal departments were eliminated overnight, as he pledges he would do, and other candidates could also, all hell would break loose. I'd like to see greater efficiency in government as much as the next guy, but suggestions create bigger problems than the existing ones are just plain stupid, IMO.

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#724708 - 12/12/11 12:30 AM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: Salmo g.]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Ron Paul is no better than Perry or any other of the clowns in the Clown Parade...he's making claims of what he'd do in order to get idiots to vote for him, while he knows full well that he can't possibly do 99% of those things.

Fish on...

Todd
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#724745 - 12/12/11 10:54 AM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: Todd]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
You would think Paul would be aware of the disaster that ensued
when Churchill advocated and accomplished the return of England
to the Gold.
It is interesting how well the DNC propaganda efforts are managing,
with media help, to make all GOP candidates look like idiots or
charlatans. And yet the DNC has no one execpt a failed incumbent to work with.

Money talks, BS rules.

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#724756 - 12/12/11 11:05 AM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: Todd]
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2562
Loc: Edmonds
Originally Posted By: Todd
Ron Paul is no better than Perry or any other of the clowns in the Clown Parade...he's making claims of what he'd do in order to get idiots to vote for him, while he knows full well that he can't possibly do 99% of those things.

Fish on...

Todd



So...................

Is he any different than any other politician running for office? "I'll do this and I'll do that. I'll balance the budget. I'll get us out of Gitmo. I'll get us out of the Middle East. I'll make sure that people can watch us debate issues on Capitol Hill (never happened)."

Libs are tolerant as long as you don't disagree with their opinions. If you disagree, you're a f'n idiot. Very tolerant. You want to talk about hate speach. Listen to Chris Matthews or Olberman being oh so tolerant with anyone who disagrees with their opinion. Pretty funny, really. I don't give any of them the time of day. Left or right.
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#724761 - 12/12/11 11:22 AM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: wntrrn]
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Gregoire. "We don't have a budget deficit." 2 months after being elected we suddenly have a 2.5 billion dollar deficit. Which only grew with every breath she took.

Thank God I've never enjoyed KoolAid, no matter who was serving it.
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#724825 - 12/12/11 02:34 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: wntrrn]
4Salt Offline
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Registered: 03/07/00
Posts: 2955
Loc: Lynnwood, WA
Originally Posted By: Illyrian
It is interesting how well the DNC propaganda efforts are managing, with media help, to make all GOP candidates look like idiots or charlatans.


I'll be dipped! huh

It's actually the DNC and the 'media' that's makin' the current crop of GOP presidential candidates look like idiots and charlatans... huh? eek2 fridge

Ill my friend... all I gotta say is don'tcha go changin'. cowboy
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#724834 - 12/12/11 02:47 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: ]
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"Thank God I've never enjoyed KoolAid, no matter who was serving it."

You didn't enjoy the rabid "we don't need a surplus" GOP KoolAid? Good thing Rossi wasn't elected.
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#724838 - 12/12/11 02:57 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: 4Salt]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Yup, the deficit is Gregoire's fault, just like it's Obama's...

I love the "centrists" on here who are just as big of right wing jerkoffs as the ones who cop to it.

Originally Posted By: Illyrian
It is interesting how well the DNC propaganda efforts are managing, with media help, to make all GOP candidates look like idiots or charlatans.


In a world full of your meaningless and substanceless "witticisms", you have continued to impress me with your ability to come up with even more ridiculous drivel every time you share your vast intellect with us, Illyrian...this one will be very, very hard to top, though.

Anyone with an IQ over 42 recognizes that Bozo the Clown would be a standout in the 2012 Republican field...these guys give clowns a bad name.

I won't blame it on them for being clowns, however...I'll blame it on clowns like you for actually giving them enough credibilty that they decide to run for office.

If any one of them gets elected we will be the laughing stock of the world, and we'll deserve it.

Fish on...

Todd
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#724843 - 12/12/11 03:24 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: Todd]
grizz1 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/07
Posts: 463
"If any one of them gets elected we will be the laughing stock of the world, and we'll deserve it."

Obama has already secured that distinction for us.

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#724867 - 12/12/11 04:53 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: stlhead]
wntrrn Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2562
Loc: Edmonds
Originally Posted By: stlhead
"Thank God I've never enjoyed KoolAid, no matter who was serving it."

You didn't enjoy the rabid "we don't need a surplus" GOP KoolAid? Good thing Rossi wasn't elected.


Our state has been run by D's for 28+ years at every level of government. We must be flourishing in infrastucture, social programs, education, etc....... Or, not.


Stlhead, where do you live that is so prosperous under our own gov monopoly? Must be the R's fault even though they control nothing in our state. I forgot, it's Rossi's fault. Pretty funny, folks.
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#724871 - 12/12/11 04:57 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: stlhead]
wntrrn Offline
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Posts: 2562
Loc: Edmonds
Originally Posted By: stlhead


You didn't enjoy the rabid "we don't need a surplus" GOP KoolAid? Good thing Rossi wasn't elected.


I listened to a woman stating there is no budget deficit, while running for office, even though we all knew our state was spending itself into financial disaster. Drink it up.
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#724916 - 12/12/11 06:51 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: grizz1]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
You are so damn funny Todd I think you missed a bet. You could do
standup political comedy and draw a crowd. Your education and
facility with the scatalogical aspects of the vernacular are commedable.
Too bad you are so detached from reality and so desperate to be
one leg up. How esle can your head get there.

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#724919 - 12/12/11 07:00 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: Illyrian]
4Salt Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 03/07/00
Posts: 2955
Loc: Lynnwood, WA
Originally Posted By: Illyrian
Too bad you are so detached from reality...


I just gotta ask ya Sko... when you say things like this, are you in "game mode"... or are you really serious?

I've always been curious... and the reason is that in all the years I've read your posts, my primary opinion of them has been; how can a guy who's so well-read be so completely and utterly clueless and misguided when it comes to politics? huh
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#724922 - 12/12/11 07:17 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: 4Salt]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Thanks for further making my point for me...and for the chuckle, too.

Fish on...

Todd
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#724952 - 12/12/11 08:35 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: 4Salt]
wntrrn Offline
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2562
Loc: Edmonds
Originally Posted By: 4Salt
Originally Posted By: Illyrian
Too bad you are so detached from reality...


I just gotta ask ya Sko... when you say things like this, are you in "game mode"... or are you really serious?

I've always been curious... and the reason is that in all the years I've read your posts, my primary opinion of them has been; how can a guy who's so well-read be so completely and utterly clueless and misguided when it comes to politics? huh


Have the D's actually shown you anything resembling governance in any shape or form that you believe is different from the R's? Reflect on our state and then respond.
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#724956 - 12/12/11 09:06 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: wntrrn]
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Registered: 03/07/00
Posts: 2955
Loc: Lynnwood, WA
wntrrn - Why yes, yes they have.

But the thing is... you have to first take off the blinders of partisan hatred, then possess at least a cursory cognitive capability... and finally, a remedial understanding of how state government really works.

You appear to have neither of the latter and an abundance of the former... so it's no wonder you can't see it for yourself. wink
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#724966 - 12/12/11 09:49 PM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: 4Salt]
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 6732
First of all the R's don't believe in rainy day funds. If a crisis happens then the first shot is against the "freeloaders". If you get laid off you are a freeloader and on your own. Then they go after anything low level government. Nixed or outsourced via no bid contracts. See "freeloaders". Next is the removal of all regulations on business. Pollute or violate employment laws all you want. Next is the removal of all oversight. Any regulations that remain will simply not be enforced. Then there's those dredded taxes that keep businesses from existing. And those who don't pay any tax to begin with will receive a nice year end refund courtesy of the rest of us. Other ideas are gving away the "under utilized" state forests, parks and whatever assests corporations drool over. Any other reflecions you'd like wntrrn?
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#724993 - 12/13/11 12:21 AM Re: Here's how you do it... [Re: 4Salt]
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Registered: 01/13/03
Posts: 2562
Loc: Edmonds
Originally Posted By: 4Salt
wntrrn - Why yes, yes they have.

But the thing is... you have to first take off the blinders of partisan hatred, then possess at least a cursory cognitive capability... and finally, a remedial understanding of how state government really works.



Please explain it to me why a state that has been solely run by democrats isn't rolling in a big financial surplus. Maybe, if you pull off your blinders, you'll be able to do it in a way that doesn't involve your mouth licking the all mighy one's box. Not quite sure how you'd be willing to pull that one off.
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