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#727240 - 12/21/11 03:21 PM NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul
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http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/fivethirtyeight/primaries/iowa

NY Times now predicts Ron Paul to handily beat all republican challengers in the Iowa Caucuses.

I for one am thrilled that this would happen to remainder of the field cause they are a bunch of establishment slimeball politicians..., and for two because I happen to like Ron Paul....Go Ronny!
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#727254 - 12/21/11 03:46 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Sky-Guy]
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I would probably vote for him. He is waaaay out there on some things, but he’s not a party hack and he thinks for himself. I especially like his aversion to foreign wars. But his honesty and far from mainstream republican values will doom him in the end. No way will the RWWJs let him get the nomination.
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#727257 - 12/21/11 03:51 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Crash and brun Newt you bastard, CRASH AND BURN!!!!!

Go Ron by the way.
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#727263 - 12/21/11 04:00 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: docspud
Crash and brun Newt you bastard, CRASH AND BURN!!!!!

Go Ron by the way.


+100000000

Originally Posted By: Hankster
Dave wouldn't vote for anyone without a "D" after their name anyway.

smile


Not so sure about that. I think Dave would probably vote for the best candidate, regardless of party affiliation..
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#727265 - 12/21/11 04:14 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Originally Posted By: docspud
Crash and brun Newt you bastard, CRASH AND BURN!!!!!

Go Ron by the way.


+100000000

Originally Posted By: Hankster
Dave wouldn't vote for anyone without a "D" after their name anyway.

smile


Not so sure about that. I think Dave would probably vote for the best candidate, regardless of party affiliation..


So Dave will be voting for Mitt Romney then, based on the "best candidate", party affiliation not considered. smile

Ron Paul isn't out there "a little" on some issues, he is wayyyyy out there on quite a few issues. He follows the Neville Chamberlain doctrine when it comes to conflict, which never works in the end. "Iran should be able to have as much nuclear material as they can sell and it isn't really any of our business who they sell it to" is his philosophy.

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#727270 - 12/21/11 04:53 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Ron Paul will not get my vote, no matter what letter comes after his name.

I like that he thinks for himself, and I like that he's not tied to a particular dogma, be it Republican or Democrat...but that is far from enough.

He has to have good ideas, and I think he's a fruitcake. He may as well get Lyndon LaRouche to be his running mate, because he thinks for himself, and is not tied to either dogma, either.

Fish on...

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#727271 - 12/21/11 05:05 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Todd]
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For those of you that care, I voted for Ronald Reagan once and Richard Nixon once. As usual Hank is wrong.

This time I see zero good candidates. I will vote for Obama as the lesser of the evils but certainly not with enthusiasm.

I truly like RP but can’t vote for him as he is a bit nuts. Romney is IMHO the best of the rest but he has absolutely zero core values and will flip whichever way the wind blows. All the other RWWJ candidates hate America’s middle class, want to get us in another foreign war and lack any sort of imagination or willingness to stand up to the far right fringe that has hijacked the republican party.

BTW those same whack jobs cost the Rs the majority in the senate and will cost them the presidency this time.
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#727281 - 12/21/11 05:21 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Dave Vedder]
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"As usual Hank is wrong"

His momma was wrong.

I too have voted for Republicans including Reagan and Gorton.....once. I've mostly learned my lesson and strongly feel the Republican party has strayed so far away from it's core values that it's not only out lived it's usefulness it's bad for America.
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#727291 - 12/21/11 05:56 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: ]
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So tell me, How is Ron Paul nuts or a dildo?
Facts and thoughtful opinions only please.
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#727293 - 12/21/11 06:06 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
"Iran should be able to have as much nuclear material as they can sell and it isn't really any of our business who they sell it to" is his philosophy.


DBAppraiser, from what information are you basing your opinions on about Iran? What the mainstream media has told you, or what Israeli press has said? I'm genuinely curious...

Iran is not the most dangerous nation to possibly have nuclear energy, or arms in the region. Why should it be OK for North Korea, India or Pakistan, who have demonstrated their countries are far more fuggin nutz than Iran has?

Why shouldn't we leave Iran alone? To date, The IAEA has no solid proof that they have been developing nuclear weapons....All that BS is spin from mainstream media beholden to parrot anything their owners with an agenda tell them to.








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#727294 - 12/21/11 06:06 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Dave Vedder]
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Ron Paul is the conscience of the Right just as Dennis Kucinich is the conscience of the left. They both have a hard core base and are way way out simply because they part with conventional so called main stream thought.

I mean like the conventional R & D candidates and the MONEY brokers have done such a good job! But sheep need to be sheared and this nation's voters do act like a bunch of sheep!


Edited by Rivrguy (12/21/11 06:08 PM)
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#727303 - 12/21/11 06:38 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
"Iran should be able to have as much nuclear material as they can sell and it isn't really any of our business who they sell it to" is his philosophy.


DBAppraiser, from what information are you basing your opinions on about Iran? What the mainstream media has told you, or what Israeli press has said? I'm genuinely curious...

Iran is not the most dangerous nation to possibly have nuclear energy, or arms in the region. Why should it be OK for North Korea, India or Pakistan, who have demonstrated their countries are far more fuggin nutz than Iran has?

Why shouldn't we leave Iran alone? To date, The IAEA has no solid proof that they have been developing nuclear weapons....All that BS is spin from mainstream media beholden to parrot anything their owners with an agenda tell them to.












I base my opinion on the words that have come out of Ron Paul's own mouth during debates and interviews. I paraphrased a bit but the overall theme is correct.

As for other countries such as Pakistan, India and N. Korea having these weapons, that horse has already left the barn. The Pakistanis have demonstrated that they will sell nuclear information as has N. Korea. So why should Iran be allowed to go the same path and arm Hezbollah and Hamas with these weapons? When the Iranian's say that their program is peaceful do you believe them? I don't. I also am not naive enough to think that the Russians, the Chinese, the Saudis, or the Pakistanis are our true allies and friends either.

THE WORST THING ABOUT RON PAUL IS THIS: HE MAKES ME AGREE WITH KK'S POST ABOVE. smile


Edited by DBAppraiser (12/21/11 06:44 PM)

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#727307 - 12/21/11 06:53 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Rivrguy]
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First off, Paul wants to elminate the Department of Energy, Interior, Commerce, HUD, and Education. That makes Reagan-esque deregulation look like fascist state regulation of everything. Kiss any enviro protection away.

I like that he wouldn't have gone to Iraq. He would close every military base outside the USA, and while I think some, maybe even most are a waste, some clearly are not.

His plan to withdraw from NATO is not a good plan...but I like his plans to withdraw from the WTO and NAFTA, as those "free market" plans have not only done nothing to free the markets, they've fukked workers here in the US ten ways til Tuesday.

Paul would do away with Social Security and Medicare, and besides those being stupid ideas, he'll never win the election with that kind of opinion.

I appreciate his libertarian views on lots of things, but not by totally dismantling the entire government. I'm happy with his stance on the Patriot Act, which is to get rid of it asap.

I like it that he thinks 9/11 grew from our interventionism in the Middle East, rather than " 'cuz they hate our freedom!"...because he's right.

He's against a woman's right to choose, which is just religious nuttery.

He wants to get rid of all the taxes that affect the very rich.

For a right winger he goes far to the opposite of most in regards to Israel...I find myself somewhere in the middle between the extravagence we heap upon them now and the end of all aid to anyone, including Israel, that Paul supports.

I don't know what his feelings are on it now, but he supported the Star Wars Initiative, and likely still does, since he's one guy that has convictions, at least.

Most of my problems with RP are not with his integrity, which is probably the highest amongst all the candidates, though he has gotten himself a little twisted up with some earmarks in the past that don't fit in with his "no earmarks" policy, if what I've read about that is true.

I'm not sure what Paul's stance on "Citizens United" is, but my impression is that he supports it, which is ludicrous to my way of thinking.

Plus, anything that would add credibility to his even loonier son Rand should be stopped smile

Fish on...

Todd
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#727312 - 12/21/11 07:00 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: ]
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I like his unconventional ideas that throw the base of both parties into a tizzy. But he seems to put his money where his mouth is....at least as far as investing is concerned.

http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/2011/12/21/the-ron-paul-portfolio/


Most members of Congress, like many Americans, hold some real estate, a few bonds or bond mutual funds, some individual stocks and a bundle of stock funds. Give or take a few percentage points, a typical Congressional portfolio might have 10% in cash, 10% in bonds or bond funds, 20% in real estate, and 60% in stocks or stock funds.

But Ron Paul’s portfolio isn’t merely different. It’s shockingly different.

Yes, about 21% of Rep. Paul’s holdings are in real estate and roughly 14% in cash. But he owns no bonds or bond funds and has only 0.1% in stock funds. Furthermore, the stock funds that Rep. Paul does own are all “short,” or make bets against, U.S. stocks. One is a “double inverse” fund that, on a daily basis, goes up twice as much as its stock benchmark goes down.

The remainder of Rep. Paul’s portfolio – fully 64% of his assets – is entirely in gold and silver mining stocks. He owns no Apple, no ExxonMobil, no Procter & Gamble, no General Electric, no Johnson & Johnson, not even a diversified mutual fund that holds a broad basket of stocks. Rep. Paul doesn’t own stock in any major companies at all except big precious-metals stocks like Barrick Gold, Goldcorp and Newmont Mining.
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#727325 - 12/21/11 07:31 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser

THE WORST THING ABOUT RON PAUL IS THIS: HE MAKES ME AGREE WITH KK'S POST ABOVE. smile


grin

You are making progress DBA...................

rofl

Really, Ron Paul is a total fuking joke. He is every bit as much of dogmatic gasbag as he claims the 'mainstream' politicians are. His appeal lies in the fact that he promotes himself a being 'different'..........well so is the mentally ill homeless guy with the 'Repent' sign that stands on a corner in every major US urban city.

Paul is much closer to that guy than he is willing to admit.

The Paultards will prop him back up in 4 years.....Money Bombs. lol
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#727351 - 12/21/11 08:57 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Sol Duc]
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Paul didn't pay attention when Barry Goldwater was scaring the hiss out
of the voters. Cost Barry an election and makes Paul unelectable.

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#727352 - 12/21/11 09:10 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Illyrian]
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Big diffrence. I remember Goldwater well, he was viewed as a warmonger. Paul most certainly is not.
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#727385 - 12/21/11 11:42 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
AuH2O...
Clever.
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#727387 - 12/21/11 11:52 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: Sky-Guy]
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Originally Posted By: Sky-Guy
Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
"Iran should be able to have as much nuclear material as they can sell and it isn't really any of our business who they sell it to" is his philosophy.


DBAppraiser, from what information are you basing your opinions on about Iran? What the mainstream media has told you, or what Israeli press has said? I'm genuinely curious...

Iran is not the most dangerous nation to possibly have nuclear energy, or arms in the region. Why should it be OK for North Korea, India or Pakistan, who have demonstrated their countries are far more fuggin nutz than Iran has?

Why shouldn't we leave Iran alone? To date, The IAEA has no solid proof that they have been developing nuclear weapons....All that BS is spin from mainstream media beholden to parrot anything their owners with an agenda tell them to.










One other little tidbit I forgot to address in there Skyguy. The IAEA has finally come out and said that Iran is moving towards nuclear weapon. "Ambassador Rice pointed to a report last month by the International Atomic Energy Agency which concluded that some alleged clandestine work by Iran could not be used for any other purpose than making nuclear arms." Shocking to you I'm sure.

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#727388 - 12/21/11 11:54 PM Re: NY Times on Iowa and Ron Paul [Re: DBAppraiser]
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You mean like aluminum tubes headed to Iraq a few years ago?
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