Pictures of rifles are always interesting, pics of the work bench
more so.

lol, drinking the kool aid.


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That's a great accurate round-

From what I've seen though it is a wee bit big for the game you're talking about. I've seen the results on three deer and he lost some prime meat due to the HUGE amount of internal damage. The only one that he got all the meat off of was the one he almost missed low, catching the heart. Talk about a blood trail .

I'd suggest a trusty 30-06 but you'd be happy with the 7mm if'n that's what you're set on.

Love my Rem mag 7mm left hand with 175 grain,drops'em were ya shoot'em or with in 30'.Good luck,
SZ

Yessir. I just have to find the gunsmith.

Anyone have any recommendations on a local gunsmith who can mill and mount a good muzzle break on a Remmy 700?



True...unless you're doing some bench time. Then I tend to feel every single 160 grain 7mm Mag shot.



You can lead the horse to water, but you can't force 'em to drink it.

Some get it, some don't.

Oh I get it.


You going to go sit up on top of a mountain & shoot little tiny backtail deer @ 500-1000 yards like stick do ? That's why he sets his rifles up w/ the spin o matic turret. So go get all comfortable, laser range your prey, dial in said elevation & shoot em their beds.


wow.


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You fish like you hunt?

I'd like to think so, fair chase.


That hunting style is just not my cup of tea, too much like ripping a treble thru a school of spawners to me.

I do like to practice my version of long range shooting & be ready for it if the need arises, but the maximum distance I will let one go is about 400 yards.

.270 Winchester w/ 130 Nosler BT @ 3100-3200 fps/Burris Signature Select 3-10X/Harris bipod.



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Extreme oversimplification to say the least.





Three words.
Wind, Wind, Wind.


Watching the current crop of long range hunting shows where they are dumping animals at a thousand yards makes a lot Newbs think that all they have to do is range the critter, spin the elevation turret and touch off the shot then call the taxidermist.

The effects of wind or even a slight breeze on your bullet at ranges over 500 yards is unbelievable.

Find a windy day to practice those long shots on and you'll quickly see what I mean.

The problem lies in accurately detecting wind characteristics "over there" as thermals or sudden gusts drift your bullet resulting in misses or much worse, wounded and lost game.
Under calm, steady conditions I've taken bucks out to 668 yards and a several at about 500, but even those ranges are too far in unpredictable settings.

I love my .257 wby mag, it shoots like a laser, but I will either pass, or stalk closer on anything over 500 yards anymore.
I work too hard to lose trophy animals to "stunt shooting".

Plenty of more highly skilled riflemen than myself out there and I ain't criticising them, just stating my own personal limitations.

There are very few people that can consistently shoot sub-MOA at 1k from a bench rest due to the cited variables of wind, mirage and a host of others. That number drops precipitously when actual field conditions are introduced, and the shooter lacks either the requisite tools or number of popped-primers to tilt the odds in his/her favor.

Over the past 4 decades, all of my deer/elk have been tipped over with one shot. Usually at close quarters. Like Sal, I've let a goodly number of 'em walk rather than risk a bad poke. An elk is a regal beast. They and their kin have taught me much over the course of my time afield in various pursuits. Accordingly, I don't use them for target practice at any distance. It does pain me when I have discovered wounded elk that require me to take responsibility for someone else's ineptitude. Perhaps Coley G's sig-line quote from Lani Waller regarding steelhead is appropriate for hunting as well, "I don't care how you catch them, as long as you treat them well and with respect." That, melded with a modicum of self-respect, may be helpful in discerning when it is appropriate to either release an arrow or trip a trigger with bad intent....

The beauty of this public forum is that there is immediate access to a host of information, opinions, with some entertaining tussles tossed in, regarding our collective interest in outdoor pursuits. Similar to my silent instructors of the forest, I have learned much from many of you, including one paradoxical internet forum recidivist. It is incumbent upon me to discern the wheat from the chaff as to a chosen path forward. All else is moot.

That said, enjoy your father's rifle Parker, and twisting target turrets. As one hunter to another, I look forward to your continued growth and success afield....

Fair enough statement.

Lol, guess I got "target fixated" on my own perspective




+1, go get em Parker.

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I'm trying.

Was always a bird hunter and never a big game hunter. Oh sure, I've done my share of "Armed Nature Hikes", but that sums it up right there.

I'm listening to many and using my own best judgement calls on who's Cool-aid to digest and so forth. Stick's presented a good case as to what tool to use and why.

No, I don't hunt Sitka Black tails. Never hunted any black tail, for that matter. Only hunted white tails, muley's and elk. I've never taken a shot past 200 yards and probably never will. But, that doesn't mean I shouldn't have the necessary tools to do so, if the perfect opportunity arises in the field. I've got a range finder and good glass that almost never leaves my eyes. I like to know ranges when looking about, even if I never do shoot past 200. My goal is to be able to sight out 0-500 yards on an object without a range finder. Tougher than you think.

I'm probably one of the "over safest" hunters in the field and have passed up good shots due to concern of where the bullet might go, etc. If I'm not 100% certain on a bullet path (past the animal), or 100% confident in the range and shot, I won't take it.

I've shot enough long-guns to know that Sal speaks the truth about windage and long shots. For that reason, why I might have the capability to shoot out to 500 yards, I honestly don't ever see that happening....unless all the stars align and it's an ideal shot.

More of than not, I kinda prefer to shoot open sights to 200 yards. I'm WAY better with open sights then with an optic.

I've got nothing to prove to anyone, got nothing to show to anyone, and don't give a rats [Bleeeeep!] (unlike fishing. ). I don't use a guide to hunt, don't plan on using a guide to hunt, and like I did with fishing BEFORE I got this wonderful reputation here on the board, I'm going to learn to hunt the old fashioned and *hard* way.....experience, time in the field, and learning from my mistakes.

The really crappy thing is that I should have started this when I was a kid. Starting to hunt at 40+ makes things a bit challenging.

PS. It's my grandfather's rifle - I used to go on his hunts with him. My Dad couldn't find his own boot to piss in, let alone "hunt" anything. The love of the outdoors and fishing came from good old grandpa.

I just hope that I can acquire enough large game hunting skills and knowledge to pass down to my kids in the not-so-distant future. That's the real gem of hunting for me.....

Only real bummer now is that hunting season interfere's with the Canadia steelhead season. D'oh!!!!!

More than taking the shot and harvesting game for me are all the other things that go along with it.

Late summer scouting.
Making a good camp and "inventing" new and more efficient things each season.
Spending time with friends.
Good camp food.
Being prepared in general.
Backcountry navigation.
Just being out there, observing and looking for Mr. Big.

I haven't big game hunted in some time. I need to get back into it, sounds like good, clean fun.

To consistantly kill game animals past the 400 yard marker you need to put a lot of rounds down range in many different conditions. And then you need to practice actual field type situations on top of that. Some people can stretch that limit, and some can't. I am with driftin' on this. The game animal is not just there for target practice.

I shoot a stainless ruger, with a 3-10X44 scope. I have it sighted in for 3" high at 100yards. And that takes a lot of the guess work out of things for me. I have shot 2 elk at just under 400 yards (395, 390). I keep 400 at my personal hunting limit. Everything else has been between 80-300 yards. With the sight in I have it takes a lot of the guess work out. And i don't have to aim above the animal to hit the vitals. Which in my opinion is a good thing.

I would like to get a scope like Parker has and work on setting up to take longer shots and dial in the ranges and all that. But from my experience in hunting in Western washington like I do. I have never had the time to do all of that stuff.

Parker has the right attitude toward this, jsut because he has a gun that can shoot however far he wants, doesn't mean he will take that type of shot. Get to practicing and enjoy that rifle. Oh I am not a big fan of muzzle brakes but to each his own there. I found that my 7 kicked like crazy also. But the more I shot it the more it didn't bother me. I have heard about puting some sort of a mercury thing in the butt end of the stock that helps reduce recoil, but doesn't increase the muzzel blast. That needs to be installed by a gunsmith also.

Good luck
Buck

Thats interesting. A 7mm Rem mag shooting 160s recoils about like an '06 with 180s.

I don't think most people would consider either rifle a big kicker.

I'd be willing to bet its more stock fit and geometry than flat out recoil.

Actually, I was comparing the 7mm to a .300 WinMag A-Bort with a Boss...hence my asking about muzzle breaks.

A friends A-Bort .06 thumps 10X harder then my A-Bort .300 shooting 180's.

It is a tad loud on the range though.

Can you please explain further why some of the above listed are in your opinion junk? I am running across quite a few in those flavors, the feel & finish appear nice, but if there are honest flaws I would like to know.

Thanks,

Drew

Yeah, I'd also be curious to know. I have an original A-Bort that was purchased in the late 80's, or very early 90's.

At what point did they (or were they always) become junk?

Sorry about the delay. Been on here but didn't look back at this. My Crap in my post was ment as OH CRAP...Not as in they are crap..But in my opinion they kinda are. Parker yours should be a good one.

In the new a bolts. The trigger mec, and bolt parts rust up fast. For the really anal in gun care..like me. One should probably be ok. I have seen a bunch of guys that are really good hands at all kinds of fixing stuff that are afraid to take their guns apart.
I have a smith buddy that sais the new rems and wins have really gone down hill. I had to send my last rem back due to a rought chamber. They put a new barrel on it, and had it back to me in two weeks. If I buy one it will be used. I really want a new kimber rifle bad. My gumsmith buddy just squirms when I bring it up..lol. I suppose its like everything else. Price goes up. Quality goes down.

I dont know about you guys, but now that bird hunting is closed, and the rivers are up. I'm going to Omak to try my hand at bobcats. Going to mix it up with some yote hunting. Going to throw the snow shoes in.

Stam your Montana is 1 in 10 twist correct? Have you been able to stabilize 162 AMAX?