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#739370 - 02/09/12 11:25 AM Syria?
Dave Vedder Offline
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Registered: 10/09/02
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Should the U.S. do anything to resolve the mess in Syria? Troops, drones, arms, diplomatic actions, nothing?

Current reports are about 100 civilian women and children are killed daily. Is that enough for us to do anything? if not what if 10,000 were killed daily? Not enough - what about 100,000 a day?

Should the US have acted sooner to stop Hitlers extermination of Jews?

I honestly am not certain what, if anything, we should do. Are you?


http://news.yahoo.com/syrias-homs-bombarded-again-turks-push-solution-014614676.html


Edited by Dave Vedder (02/09/12 11:48 AM)
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#739376 - 02/09/12 11:52 AM Re: Syria? [Re: Dave Vedder]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
Guess it all has to do with the role you envision for the US.
I believe, if we are going to play the good guy and the planet's
police force, we should act to protect the citizens of Syria. The
fact that Assad is a tyrant adds to the impetus to act.
Do we worry about public opinion, Yes, it is obvious. Hell the
Isolationists and Charles Lindburgh kept us out of WW2 until we were
attacked by Japan and war was declared on us by schikelgruber.
If the past hasn't been able to teach us the lessons we should have
learned : Cleaning up N Korea and China in 1948 for instance. The
future will not allow us the benefit of a lot of time to react.
Initiative has always been a desired condition.
I don't know the best course for our involvement in the ME, but
if we are going to maintain a presence there we might as well
not play footsie with Iran and her allies, Syria for one.
The longer we wait the worse it will be.
Deja vu, We could have helped the Hungarians in their rebellion
against the USSR. We didn't, And it took another 40 years to clear up.

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#739389 - 02/09/12 12:24 PM Re: Syria? [Re: ]
Direct-Drive Offline
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Registered: 11/10/09
Posts: 7960
Loc: Vancouver, WA
Syria's neighbors need to step up.
They've tried.
They need to try harder and maybe they are.

Peacekeeping is serious business. I don't know if there are any Arab nations over there with the will and/or resources to make a difference.
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#739399 - 02/09/12 12:46 PM Re: Syria? [Re: Direct-Drive]
docspud Offline
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Registered: 11/01/06
Posts: 1557
Loc: Silverdale Wa
This situation reminds me of seeing some POS beating the crap out of his GF on the street. You walk over to help and the get the girl out of there. The guy gets tough as they always do.....I mean they showed their old lady who is boss so why not you too.

About that time you knock the tough guy on his butt what happens.....the crazy B still bleeding from her nose, jumps on your back, pulling your hair and clawing the crap out of your face all the while screaming what a POS you are and to leave him alone.

Moral of the story......mind your own f-ing business. Nothing good comes from getting into other peoples crap as you will be the bad guy in the end no matter how good your intentions are.
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#739412 - 02/09/12 01:25 PM Re: Syria? [Re: ]
RowVsWade Offline
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Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 3359
Loc: Island Time
We're too busy getting ready to assist Israel with the Iranians to give a chit about Syria.
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#739432 - 02/09/12 02:16 PM Re: Syria? [Re: RowVsWade]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
Assad and Aminutjob are in the same boat. One is the Satrap of the other.
Docspud is correct tho', no good deed goes unpunished.

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#739436 - 02/09/12 02:56 PM Re: Syria? [Re: Illyrian]
Dogfish Offline
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Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
Sounds like a job for teh Arab League or UN peace keeping troops, not the US. They haven't invaded anyone, nor are they a direct threat to their neighbors. This struggle is internal, and we have no allies to support.

I can't imagine being shelled by my own government to the point where if I ran, I risked being shot by snipers. Horrible is an understatement.
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#739440 - 02/09/12 03:10 PM Re: Syria? [Re: Dogfish]
FleaFlickr02 Offline
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Registered: 10/28/09
Posts: 3345
Indeed, despite our grumblings, we do still have a lot of reasons to be grateful we live where we do.

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#739445 - 02/09/12 03:19 PM Re: Syria? [Re: FleaFlickr02]
stonefish Offline
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Registered: 12/11/02
Posts: 5199
Loc: Carkeek Park
I'm hoping Assad will go down by the hands of his own people.
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#739464 - 02/09/12 03:52 PM Re: Syria? [Re: ]
stlhead Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 6732
Why are we interested? The same reason Russia and China are.

Then 2010:

Iraq and Syria have completed technical talks about a planned pipeline for transporting Iraqi oil to Mediterranean ports, AlWatan daily reported, citing an official speaking with the Kurdistan Independent News Agency. The results of the talks were positive, and Iraqi officials will report on the discussions within three days, the Damascus-based newspaper reported, citing comments by an adviser to the Iraqi government, Salam Al-Quraishi, talking to AKNEWS, the Kurdish news agency.

The 225-kilometer (140-mile) pipeline would transport Iraqi crude across Syria to the Mediterranean Sea and have an export capacity of about 1.7 million barrels of oil a day, he said.

A pipeline with a capacity of 600,000 barrels a day already links Iraq’s northern oil fields in Kirkuk to the Mediterranean port of Ceyhan, Turkey.

Now Today:

Iraq will lose the capacity to export 1.7 million barrels of crude a day if Iran blocks the Strait of Hormuz, the transit point for about two thirds of its production, an Oil Ministry spokesman said.

The Gulf state is pursuing plans to open new crude export routes via neighboring Syria, following threats by Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz in response to international sanctions on its energy industry, Thamir Ghadhban, the Iraqi prime minister’s top adviser, said Feb. 2.
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#739608 - 02/09/12 11:16 PM Re: Syria? [Re: ]
goharley Offline
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Registered: 03/27/02
Posts: 3188
Loc: U.S. Army
Originally Posted By: Hankster
Sen. John McCain...called for greater international efforts to aid opposition forces, but “without boots on the ground.”
Sure, until the President suggests we should have unilateral support and not commit troops. Then gramps will go off on a tirade about the President being weak on foreign policy.
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#739710 - 02/10/12 12:25 PM Re: Syria? [Re: goharley]
StinkingWaters Offline
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Registered: 12/12/09
Posts: 1025
Loc: Termite Country
It's starting to smell like Tonkin in Damascus thumbs
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