Firearm Storage Bill Introduced Despite Legislative Deadlines

Anti-gun state Senator Adam Kline (D-37) and two other state Senators have introduced Senate Bill 6628, an unnecessary firearm storage bill, in an attempt to exploit the recent tragic shooting at a Bremerton elementary school.

SB 6628 would single out firearms in the Washington statutes and make it a crime if a child obtains access to a loaded firearm that was stored in a location where the person reasonably knows that a child is likely to gain access. This is already covered in Washington’s Reckless Endangerment statute!

The only reason to push this duplicative law is to demonize firearms in Washington law. Fatal firearm accidents are at an all-time low. If Senator Kline really cared about saving children, rather than trying to exploit this tragedy to attack firearms, he would be targeting poisons, items that suffocate children and objects on which kids choke because all three cause more accidental deaths to children than firearms. But we know that Senator Kline, who sponsored the semi-auto ban two years ago, is only interested in banning firearms and making life miserable for law-abiding gun owners.

This legislation is a knee-jerk response to the tragic shooting of an 8-year old girl by a 9-year old boy at a Bremerton school last week. Rather than go after firearms, Senator Kline might better spend his time going after people like the boy’s mother, whose lengthy criminal record included possession of meth, marijuana delivery and forgery. The boy found the gun, which allegedly belongs to the mother’s criminal boyfriend, during an unsupervised visit to her house.

There are nine days left in the 2012 legislative session. It is critical that you call AND e-mail your state Senator TODAY and respectfully urge him or her to oppose Senate Bill 6628. To determine your state Senator, please click here. You can also leave your state Senator a short message on the toll-free legislative hotline at (800) 562-6000.

Additionally, call Senator Adam Kline TODAY in his Capitol office at (360) 786-7688 and let him know, respectfully, that you are appalled at his exploitation of the little girl in this recent tragic incident to further his gun control agenda. Ask each of your family and friends to also call Senator Kline so he will get the message loud and clear that law-abiding firearm owners are tired of his shameless attacks on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms!








http://www.nraila.org/legislation/state-...amp;st=&ps=

Feelgood law.

Mom in Bremerton with boyfriend who has a felony criminal record had a .45 ACP pistol that her 9 year old got ahold of. 9 year old had gun in backpack, and it fired, striking a small girl in the gut. Very sad.

Sadly, there was already a law, or laws, on the books that mom broke by having said .45 ACP firearm in the house. Those laws did nothing to prevent this from happening.

I have no issue with having a penalty for a child's use of a firearm and having repercussion on the parent, but to think that the new law will stop it from happening, well, that is a bunch of bullsh!t.

Teach ALL kids about firearm safety, regardless of whether there are firearms in the home or not. That will do much more to save lives than this new law. That is a fact.

By the way, this event was already covered by "reckless endangerment".

Figured you would bring your miasma to this topic as well as all the others that you dwell on. If you knew half of what came out of your maw you'd be dangerous.

It's no wonder you spend the bulk of your time on here taking a beating for being a dumbass!

Troll elsewhere.

Fishy

This "Mom" needs to be punished, severely.

Damn, I didn't know that that little girl got hit by a .45
Horrible.
If that was my daughter...................

It's really too bad the little girl wasn't armed so she could have shot the little boy dead before he so ruthlessly cut her down.

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Todd

Dogfish has it right.

OK, I have avoided posting on this topic because my stance is pretty well known. So for the folks that don't want Kline's law, I have a couple of questions:

1. Can you name any law prohibiting an action that has ever stopped anything? Murder laws don't stop murder, speeding laws don't stop speeding. Can they provide a deterrent? Possibly so although it is difficult to determine what caused a non-action. Laws provide for punishment.

2. Why does the Gun Lobby (specifically the NRA) oppose this law so vehemently? It does not seem to run afoul of the 2nd Amendment and seems to foster responsible gun ownership - a quality that the NRA at least pays lip service to.

Would the new law come with a different/stiffer penalty than the Reckless Endangerement statute?

Sorry, but when I see the NRA, "demonize", and "Anti-" in one paragraph, any further "exploitation" of anything is full on 100% hypocritical.

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Todd

Never let a tragedy slip by without a knee jerk reaction. Classic government there.

I wonder how many of the 22,000 gun laws on the books were broken and will another one prevent this from happening, or are we just looking to lay blame somewhere?

I remember being taught in school how to shoot and taking my gun to school so I could hunt afterwards. How times have changed.


Fishy

Don't often agree with you, but even tho a Cut an Paste, which I
always get hell for, I agree

The dimmies always have to have someone or something to blame
for every eventuality.

I have never understood why it is an inanimate object.

Kline has several times made himself an example of what is wrong in government.

The logical reason to oppose the law is that it is duplicative as pointed out by Dogfish and others. It will have no beneficial effect because laws never cause irresponsible people to be more responsible.

The mother and or boyfriend are guilty of allowing the boy to come in possession of the gun. This law wouldn't prevent that. It would just make the action illegal, which it already is under reckless endangerment.

A few days left in the session, and the Legislators are finally thinking about making a budget. Might as well have legislative sessions only last two weeks, cuz no matter how long they are, they never get around to the real work until just before it ends.

I agree with everything you stated but in the interest of clarity the WA state SC ruled that if a person resides with a prohibited individual the non-prohibited individual must make sure the prohibited person cannot access the firearm. It needs to be locked up in a safe without the prohibited persons knowledge of the safe combo.

It was intended to not suspend a non-prohibited persons 2A rights because they were married or residing with a prohibited person.

So in any case there is already a law (actually many) that would have prevented this tragic accident.

Mom has a record as well, so she too is a prohibited person. Lots of existing laws were broken in this instance, so it would be fairly easy to pile on and create a sentence of reasonable length using consecutive sentencing, if applicable.

I have no issue with punishment for the act, but to say that this new law will solve anything is silly.

Locking said boyfriend up for longer periods of time in the first place would have had more chance to avoid this issue, #1, than any new law. Educating all kids on firearms, #2, would have had more impact than any new law.

I talked with Adam Kline and he was instrumental in allowing the suppressor legislation through, so now we can use those tools in Washington. My guess is that he is up for re-election and needs to show his people that he is doing something.

Agreed. I didn't know she too was prohibited.

Because of Klines legislation I've been doing my homework on a can for my M14.

Kline has been watching too much Ken Schram as of late it would appear.

I haven't seen anything in the media yet about mom or boyfriend being charged with anything. Did I miss it? Anyone got a link?

I am not surprised that no one even attempted to answer my questions. Tis far easier to parrot the NRA talking points than to actually think.

excuse me for grouping you with Todd but you both seem detached from reality.

Parroting the NRA?

So glad there are organizations like the NRA, American Legion, Boy
Scouts and VFW out there that manage to keep the light burning
and dispel the miasma generated by the hand ringers, Do gooders, and just plain fools.

NRA and proud of it.

Non-NRA and proud of it. The NRA have been asshats at times with their stances on certain legislation and issues.

Haven't seen anything on charges being filed against mom & boyfriend either. I'd welcome them, though.

I was confident I would hear from you dipchit. Too bad you don't
really know anything but butttalk.

That's the weird part. I agree there's no reason to create a law if one/several already exist to cover the crime. But if one already exists, why hasn't anyone been charged with reckless endangerment?





Proud member of VFW and American Legion; too rational to be NRA.

No one has been charged with anything because the investigation is on going.

Since nobody will attempt to answer the questions I asked before, let me ask you another one:

If the mother or boyfriend were convicted of reckless endangerment what do you believe is an appropriate sentence?

In Washington State reckless endangerment is a gross misdemeanor with a maximum sentence of 1 year. Is that appropriate in this case?

Have any of you actually read the bill?

I'd encourage you to.

It doens't make a new law, or "duplicate" or "exploit" anything at all...it just adds to the definition of "reckless endangerment" in the Reckless Endangerment Act...and also adds a whole bunch of exceptions and exemptions from the Act to limit its application.

The only "exploitation" going on here is the NRA and their ilk exploiting your fear and kneejerk willingness to send off outraged emails (along with your NRA fees) at anything they tell you to...trying to make themselves seem important and useful so they can get your money by making a big deal out of absolutely nothing.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2011-12/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/6628.pdf

Fish on...

Todd

the more i get to know dogfish, the more i like him.

+1



willy

Marsha, nice way to attempt to change the focus. It appears that the Mom and/or her boyfriend were guilty of unlawful possession prior to the shooting of the little girl. I would certainly like to see the Mom and her boyfried pay specifically for the grief they have caused the little girl and her family.

Golly Todd I think the ACLU could use you if your inane perspective doesn't make you ineffective. They have an agenda that seems to fit your stance. They could use a bit of levity in their operations.

Thanks, I realized that this morning after reading a follow-up story in the paper.

Seriously...that's all you've got?

Weak sister.

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Todd

Lawyers love this stuff. They envision themselves as Saviors of the Down-Trodden, when in fact they have effectively removed the populace's ability to defend themselves.
This is a tragic accident. Terrible, in fact. But an accident nonetheless. I think we should disembowel the boy for being a boy.

Speak up here, who keeps a loaded gun for defense in their safe?? Who also thinks their children or someone else's child could never find/use their weapon? Because if you have figured out a good way to accomplish the two items mentioned, I'd like to know, because I have a loaded weapon at all times in a convenient place and ready for use. My kids are all grown and gone, but the grandkids come around regularly. At those times I move the instrument of death to a safe place, but it is also ineffective for use as a defensive weapon.

On the other hand, a new law would make all that better, right?

edit: spellcheck works if used.....duh

This "new" "anti-gun" law isn't new, nor does it remove one single gun from anyone, anywhere...in spite of what the NRA talking points memo says.

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Todd

Actually it moves it from a place of immediate convenience for self defense to a safe or place of immediate inconvenience, like a safe.

So which is it?

A "duplicative law" that does nothing...or a new law that renders the 2nd Amendment abolished in Washington State?

It has to be one or the other...not both.

Whatever dimwit wrote the original fear piece seems to think it's a duplicative law that does nothing, but still manages to be anti-gun and make the world a more dangerous place.

That's why I was encouraging people to first read the bill before firing off your dues the NRA and your outraged emails to the Senator, so at least you'd have some idea what the bill is trying to do and could speak intelligently about it.

As I said before, the only "kneejerk" and "exploitative" rhetoric I'm seeing her is from the writer of the original copied/pasted piece, and then from some here.

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todd

It doesn't have to be one or the other but it is certainly duplicative and unnecessary. It won't do a GD'd thing to save anyone but it will make sheep feel safe and comfy knowing they passed another law.

Are you really of the mind that this law will stop people that have no intention to follow laws?

There are countless laws that were broke in this accident any and all of those could and should lead to the prosecution of the guilty party/ies.

Charges are being filed against Mom & her boyfriend.

Yup..as they should be.

But one more law on the books woulda' prevented the whole thing. At least as far as the mindless minions are concerned.

Most criminal laws prevent very little...and the same people who champion your gun rights are the same ones who are very un-interested in prevention and rehabilitation, but go big into retribution and incarceration.

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Todd

True but in this case there are enough laws on the books to effectively prosecute those responsible. Another law does nothing to prevent or deter this type of thing in the future. Furthermore this incident, as tragic and sad as it is, is really an isolated case. At least as far as age and intent is concerned.

I'm not against laws per se and certainly don't advocate anarchy but creating more laws while ignoring the ones on the books is not a good response.

What are your ideas on prevention and rehabilitation?

So we should pass more laws that will have no affect on illegal gun use.

That's something only a person with an IQ of 160 would perpose.

The simple answer is that where the studies show that rehab creates citizens, and retribution creates rescidivism, we ought not worry too hard about retribution, and should focus more on rehabilitation.

That's if you want to prevent crime, that is. If you just want to send more and more to prison, then by all means just up the sentences.

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Todd

And what is the definition of rehab? And after so called rehab.do you
put them on the welfare roles or find them jobs that are almost non existant?

Mavbe they could be sent to the moon and become miners.

The "incarcerate and punish" crowd will accomplish the same thing as the War on Terrah...create more of those who you are nominally trying to get rid of.

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Todd

So you're fine with the adults possibly receiving punishment based upon the statute they are being charged under?

The adult criminal justice is not designed nor intended to rehabilitate, it's strictly designed to punish.

The juvenile justice system is designed to rehabilitate. Unfortunately a young girl is shot and the chances the young boy that did it, repeating it, is virtually zero. It was a terrible accident and highly unlikely he will repeat it.

Accidents happen and no matter how hard the school system tries to prevent accidents their 'prevention' failed. Perhaps the school should be penalized for not preventing this from happening.

Laws will not prevent accidents and won't EVER stop those inclined to lawlessness from doing stupid chit.

I know that you dumbed down your answer that I might possibly be able to understand at least part of it. For that I say thanks. Who's looking for retribution? And, what type of rehabilitation would help reduce gun violence?


If we're talking about minorities and crime, have you ever considered looking at the community leaders who continually blame everybody but the person who committed the crime? Or, is still just the rich white guys who are to blame? At some point, does personal accountability become an issue? I know it does for me. Or, should I just go ahead and be complete F'n a-hole and blame it on my great, great grandfather?




Rich white guys aren't the answer to every problem. If we're talking about minoriti

It's always about personal responsibility...and if it's a black guy named Jim, it's "Jim", not minorities...and if it's a white guy named "Ralph", it's fuckin Ralph, not white guys.

I don't know what crimes people commit that they can be rehabilitated from, or what kinds of people are easily rehabilitated...but there's no doubt that the studies have always shown that there are all kinds of recidivists who wouldn't have gone back to crime if they had been rehabilitated, and there are all kinds of petty criminals who are not petty criminals when they get out of prison, they are big time now.

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Todd

Good deal.

So...here we go again.

Just heard on the news that while the "adult" was inside a store, and left his two kids in the car, one of the kids found a loaded handgun in the glove box, took it out, and shot his/her sibling.

Oh, yeah...the "adult"...looks like he was a cop.

Again, if only the other sibling was armed, he could have shot first instead of being a tragic victim.

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Todd

Tragic? Yes. Avoidable? Yes.
Why the assininity Todd?

Leaving a weapon that can be accessed by any child is horrendous parenting, unfortunately you cannot legislate common sense.

Fishy

any bets on whether or not it was a chambered Glock?

you want odds?

No on the odds and I'm with you it was probably a Glock, which brings up one of the issues with that particular gun and that is there really is no safety on it.

Still the true safety would have been conscientious control of that weapon around children, they knew where it was and like children acted when the adult was not around.

It seems ludicrous to have a gun for protection only to leave it available to access by children.

Fishy

the true safety is between the ears. Hopefully some folks have a brain.

As far as handguns go Walthers, 1911s and such that do not have a cocked striker instead of a lowerable hammer are the way to go. imo

The little girl in this tragic case is dead. There is no felony possession case here. What should the Dad be charged with? My heart goes out to him and his family, I'm certain that he is suffering through hell on earth right now....

Wow!
Was it FishPrick talking?
There are plenty of things to pick on, but don't you think you went way overboard?
Sometimes you should think a little........FIRST!

The cop in this case did one thing wrong.......one. And he will dearly pay for it.....most likely for life. I don't know him, but I can guess that his concerns are far from his own troubles at the moment, and I would imagine he is wishing he could change a lot of things.
He has/had good reason to pack as a badge never is off duty, and having a weapon around could very well be the life saver it is intended to be........unfortunately, he left the kids in the car with the glove box most likely unlocked......fatal mistake.
Unless you know this guy personally, cowardice doesn't even enter into the picture for me.....can't say one way or the other, and your judgment of what constitutes a coward maybe needs another look.
I would guess this cop will face prosecution, but the sentence won't even begin to touch what he already learned and is about to learn.
Terrible tragedy, and preventable.
BTW, Support does NOT necessarily mean condoning......the first means you care, the second means you agree......I doubt any of the cop's supporters agree with what happened.

Isn't all this quite obvious??

Wow!!!

First off my condolences to the family after this tragic event, I am sure they are devastated.

Next, I believe that most Officers are under some sort of oath or obligation to carry when they are not on duty, perhaps this may not be the case here. Time will tell.

But to call this man a coward is amazingly contrite and downright stupid. I do not know this man but he did go into a profession that puts him at risk during his regular business shift so I doubt he is a coward.

My insight would be that he is so used to having a weapon with him that he overlooked it in the glove, or just plain forgot and went about his errand, which we all know now has turned tragic.

The interwebz makes it too easy to armchair quarterback and second guess all things and then profess to the world that you are some sort of expert. Fact is none of us was there and this family, which consists of more than just this man, is living this nightmare, you fanning the flames does nothing to appease the families pain.

"Let yea who is without fault cast the first stone!"

Fishy

Gotta agree. Cowardice is not applicable. When you
live with a piece 24/7 it kinda assumes the threat level of a rock,
unfortunately. Familiarity breeds contempt and so forth.
Never, never underestimate the Kinder. A problem solving brain
with no govenor. and no experience. Just monkey see Monkey do.
bang bang

Most LEO's as required to carry their duty weapon at all times.

I don't think he's a coward...I think he's unbelievably stupid...and if he wasn't a cop he'd be having his balls hung from the nearest telephone pole right now, and they should be, too.

Fish on...

Todd

Like Dogfish, I think most LEOs carry at all times. The only cops I've known said they are never completely off the clock. I think the guy was careless or reckless, and any punishment via the justice system pales in comparison to what he's already subjected himself to.

True dat.

Given the facts as I have heard them, I couldn't agree more.

Train your kids around firearms, even if you don't have thenm, because they will run into them somewhere when you are not around.

Good advice Dogfish.

When I was taught GUN SAFETY IN SCHOOL there were lots of people that did not have them at home and we never heard of shootings like we hear about today.

Except maybe some dumbazz from the city getting shot while hunting!

Fishy

I'm just guessing, but I don't suppose that WDFW firearm safety training and hunter safety training like I took when I was a kid is offered at the local public schools any more?

I don't know of any gun classes for the really young.....maybe needs a rethink?

We started with the boys at age 4 with real training. .22's for a little bit, then cantaloupe with a face drawn on it meets a shotgun at close range. The point got across real quick. Still need to work with my youngest, but my oldest it pretty good and very safe.

As much as I don't like the NRA, they do have a program called the Eddie Eagle program. It is a good program, and it does get taught in schools.

I am in agreement with a few here in that he does need to see some charges level against him. Sad situation, no winners at all.

My Father drilled gun safety into my brain at an early age.

How many more do we sacrifice on the altar of stupid people exercising their 2nd Amendment rights?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46730386/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/

If he would have kept it holstered he wouldn't have had an issue. In Tacoma at midnight, why would you disarm yourself? Very sad situation indeed.

How many more do we sacrafice to the freedom of
having a driver's license even tho you might be a lousy driver?
Waste of time, you never will figure it out eddie. The gun is just
an implement not much different than a car. Both deadly in the
wrong hands. Unfortunately it seems that TIME and opportunity decides
who is deadly and when.

Another eddie comes to mind when talking about the youngsters, Eddie Eagle
has been doing kid's firearm training for years butthe folks that dislike the
NRA limit his exposure. Too bad for the kids.

However, firearms safety is the responsibility of parents. Start your
children very early, for their sake.

I see another tot was killed by accessing a gun under the seat of
the car he/she was left in with a sibling.
It seems some adults NEVER LEARN.

NRA and proud of it.

Something needs to happen in cases like the last two where children "find" their parents' guns lying around loaded and shoot themselves or someone else...

The parent needs to go to jail, for a long time. No more pussyfooting around. The NRA will find some way to oppose this, and fukk them. Just as with all the other "tough on crime" scenarios, at least this dumfuck won't be leaving a gun lying around again.

Same goes for the cop who did it the other day.

Enough of "tragic mistake" and "I'm sure he feels bad" bullschit...yes, I'm sure he does...not as bad as his dead kid feels, or someone else's dead kid when this happens the next time. He'll really feel bad when he loses his job, his pension, and his freedom.

If every mention of "someone ought to do something" is met with "don't touch my guns!", then it should happen the other way around...no new regulations, but quadruple every penalty for violating them, at least quadruple them.

Fish on...

Todd

Another toddler shot with gun in car? WTF??? Some people have no business rearing children!!

Back to the original incident:

Looks like in addition to the reckless endangerment charges (gross misdemeanor) filed against the mom & boyfriend in the Bremerton, they are both being charged with "assault, 3rd degree", which is a felony, and "unlawful possession of a firearm", another felony, because both have previous felony convictions.

5 years is a lot better sentence than 1 year. Wish is was more in the Bremerton case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017741604_shooting14m.html

This latest story got me thinking about two things. First, what parent doesn't teach their kids that certain things are off limits. Some little kids learn not to touch a hot stove by burning their hand, and some kids are persuaded not to touch the hot stove by simple explanation. Either way, they learn. Same with guns.

When I was little there was a list of things in the "don't touch" catagory, so I didn't touch them. Same with my kids when they were real little.

The second thing is what parent would leave a loaded gun where a little kid could access it? I think I always knew where the guns were in my house, but I didn't know where the ammo was until I was taught to shoot. I did roughly the same when my kids were very young. There was no way they could ever get guns and ammo together unsupervised.

I think the problem in all these recent cases is due to a form of bad parenting.

Fukk you too todd. I suspect the NRA will be completely in agreement with any penalty attached to the obvious felonious endanger-ment created by both parents in the two latest incidents. Officer or not. Stupidity doesn't recognize your attire or profession.

Marsha, I am well aware that the problem is with irresponsible people that own guns.

The latest tragedy....
Reports say that this was a boyfriend that left the loaded weapon in the car with the child unattended.
Apparently he had a concealed weapons permit.

So idiots can get a CWP ?

Hopefully a long jail term awaits this knucklehead.

Washington has averaged 1 accidental shooting death per year, based on a news report this morning. Every one is a tragedy, but there are far more deaths caused by beaten children, falls, and choking deaths each year.

http://www.kirotv.com/ap/ap/washington/2-year-old-dies-in-shower-with-cousins-at-deming/nK7N9/

2 year old died while taking a shower with cousins.

When are we going to stop this insane policy of shower ownership. I mean showers should not be allowed in every home. Look how many falls there are. Broken hips, arms, bumped heads, drownings, electronics dropped in the water and dont even get me started on the prison shower system and soap dropping issues. We need stricter punishments for not having grippy floors.

Elect me and I will bring forward bath safety legislation. Protect the children and elderly amoung us, those who can not protect themselves.

We can do better on in the greatest country on earth. Yes we can!!!!!

A good amount of TESC students already support the shower ban.

Retarded comparisons.

With all the people dying from car crashes and obesity, we should legalize heroin and pass out .50 cal sniper rifles to 3rd graders...I mean, neither of them kill nearly as many as car crashes.

Fish on...

Todd

Yes car crashes kill tons more kids than guns do but they don't ever get the press or drive the anti's to the point of foaming at the mouth like guns do.


FIshy