Not surprisingly, you'll find that they are not only Republican talking points, but they are parroted by dipshits across the land, including dipshits here, who seem to have no idea that they are screwing themselves...

Again.

And again.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-things-rich-people-need-to-stop-saying/

Fish on...

Todd

OH NO!! That could not possibly happen here on PP......


Fishy

Todd you should quit reading that kind of papp. Messes with your
cerebral processes. What amazes me is that people get paid for generating that brand of crap.
Must be the new generation. The gullible generation. Yeah that's it, hell, they elected Obammy.

Wasn't it your generation that fell for the "War of the Worlds"?

I call it the " I Want More, Better, or Different" obsession. We all have it to some degree or other. But for some, it's an unending dissatisfaction with life in general. It's nothing new, it's just more common.

Grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
Keeping up with the Jones's
Poor me, poor me, pour me another
I'm just a victim

We're taught to not feed animals, lest they become dependant.........
We're taught that survival of the fittest is a good thing......

But somehow it doesn't apply to us.

Sorry,

Didn't mean to offend anyone.

Hey, I like it......Let's add some more.....

How about.....

Starting a sentence with........"To tell the truth.......

What a load of [Bleeeeep!].. My sister and her husband are 1%. You know how they got there, by spending the last 12 years in school getting their asses kicked to become doctors. They deserve the money IMHO. There are alot of people like that.

My other sister is also in the 1% she got there by hard work as well, spending years over seas working for a large Multi national corporation.

All it really takes is hard work and sacrifice.


BTW, here is quote # 7 to add to your list.

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Governments reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that the buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

-- Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Aren't those #'s true in Gay Bay and NYC?

. . . "So "anyone can get rich" isn't just untrue, it's insultingly untrue. You can't have a society where everyone is an investment banker. And you can't have a society where you pay six figures to every good policeman, nurse, firefighter, schoolteacher, carpenter, electrician and all of the other ten thousand professions that civilization needs to survive (and that rich people need in order to stay rich).

It's like setting a jar of moonshine on the floor of a boxcar full of 10 hobos and saying, "Now fight for it!" Sure, in the bloody aftermath you can say to each of the losers, "Hey, you could have had it if you'd fought harder!" and that's true on an individual level. But not collectively -- you knew goddamned well that nine hobos weren't getting any hooch that night. So why are you acting like it's their fault that only one of them is drunk?" . . .

The 1% are multimillionares.many of which are wallstreet investers. I find it hard to believe that 2 doctors (your sister and brother inlaw) are part of that club.... just saying

I'm sure Med School is way harder than, say, being a sniper in the armed forces that has to be motionless for days in extreme weather conditions in a hostile environment.

That's why docs get paid way more than snipers...........

Hey what's the big idea iterjecting some reality into the discussion?
It was getting funnier and funnier.
I especially like comparing MIl Snipers to MDs.
However, I wasn't aware that the Snipers had to take the Hippocratic Oath. Besides look at all that satisfaction they get when they blow
dome dipchit away. ...and MDs bury their mistakes.

The definiton used for 1% is anyone making north of 250K. There are alot of professionals out there that make that, of which wall street investment bankers make up a small portion. (I am guessing that is what you are referring to)

And I am sure Army recruiter told the sniper he was going to make 100K as well.

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx

you were closer than I thought....

This speaks to the issue I have with the argument that the "rich" need to shoulder a greater share of the tax burden, which is not with the concept itself, but rather with the commonly-proposed policy implementations. While $200K-$300K is certainly a lot more money than I earn, I don't consider that level of income to be a definition of "rich." No matter what I think, statistics will show that people in this income range are nowhere near the hallowed "1%." I think it's fair to say that most people can, if sufficiently inclined, attain that level of "wealth" through some amount of extra effort and some (usually large) amount of career investment. All that takes is being highly motivated to do whatever it takes to earn more money. People who earn in that range pay the highest percentage of their income in taxes, relative to all other groups of taxpayers, and asking them to bleed more is barking up the wrong tree in my opinion.

I define "rich" as the types big moby referred to in his post. These are people that are hard-pressed to spend money faster than they earn it. These people have enough money to buy laws that allow them to retain and grow that wealth, which more or less makes them immune to any discussion of tax increases. Because our lawmakers rely on this contingent for large percentages of their campaign budgets, they are not likely to change that dynamic. If an honest look were ever taken at how much tax revenue these folks should be accounting for, I think the budget deficit would seem a lot less daunting. However....

For reasons others have highlighted (and that the article highlights), I agree that NOBODY, no matter how "rich," should claim that it's possible for all members of society to obtain meaningful wealth through dedication and hard work. A society takes all kinds, and it cannot support an entire population of fat cats. People get paid what the market will bear, and I'm mostly alright with that. White collar people with the attitude that they work harder than everyone else and thus deserve more should be shot. Despite their massive collections of possessions, they do nothing more for the benefit of society than the lowly ditch digger. In many cases, I think it's safe to say that more people benefit (in real ways) from the work of hard laborers than from high wage earners.

Well said!

Were you making a point?

Not everyone has the expectation that they are going to get rich, I knew when I got into my chosen career field that making a million dollars a year is not a possibility.

That same decision is made by many when choosing their career path.

" For reasons others have highlighted (and that the article highlights), I agree that NOBODY, no matter how "rich," should claim that it's possible for all members of society to obtain meaningful wealth through dedication and hard work. A society takes all kinds, and it cannot support an entire population of fat cats. People get paid what the market will bear, and I'm mostly alright with that. White collar people with the attitude that they work harder than everyone else and thus deserve more should be shot. Despite their massive collections of possessions, they do nothing more for the benefit of society than the lowly ditch digger. In many cases, I think it's safe to say that more people benefit (in real ways) from the work of hard laborers than from high wage earners. "

Not bad, in fact rather well done. The last sentence is a weak link though. High wage earners ( not inherited wealth ) in business and primarily small business make the jobs that laborers utilize. You can plow up stats and crap pro and con but it is a relationship that has been around a long time.

Now as a union pensioner I say the discussion should not be about how much you snatch from the high wage earners but rather what is the fair share of the profits from the businesses that hire the laborers. I give a bloody whack less if the CEO of the corporation I worked for made millions a year. No big deal, well that last SOB was a idiot and nearly sunk the boat, as long as our wage package reflected a reasonable division of profits between share holder / labor / management.

When the average earner continues to lose ground to inflation, higher costs of food,health care, child care, education, housing, meds, gas, transportation and just about every other thing in their lives all the while those in the top 1% bracket continue to gain wealth at an increasing pace and they get to pay lobbyists, lawyers and politicians to promote more tax cuts that will contribute to this excess then it is time to look at the playing field.

Nobody that lives in this country made their money in a vacuum! They relied on people, places and things that are paid for out of the public coffers and they should pay for that privilege.


Fishy

Whilst I realize you're just a phvcking clueless idiot you sound like a slave owning communist.

Hate to break it to ya' kiddo but even rich people pay taxes, hence they pay for that privilege.

I'm neither, I have owned and run a very successful business and paid for that privilege dearly. Now that I am no longer in that business I see that there are needs out there that have been over looked.

While its easy to run your mouth and make pointed derogatory comments without actually talking about the problem at hand, I will continue to address the topic at hand.

Look into it at any length and you will see that average wages have stagnated and the cost of living has increased thereby Decreasing the standard of living for the common earner.

Meanwhile those in the investment classes have made some of the largest and fastest gains in history mostly because of the tax breaks.

I know the truth hurts but suck it up.

Fishy

http://money.msn.com/investing/the-worlds-top-billionaires-2012


Somewhere in the piece is how much they lost in one day

http://money.msn.com/business-news/article.aspx?feed=BLOOM&date=20120306&id=14866981


Ditch diggers they are not. Those who dream of digging ditches, are not setting their goals high enough. Perhaps they are unwilling to do more to get more. The trouble with some kids, is that they believed the old man, when he told them they would'nt amount to [Bleeeeep!]. You cant get there from a jail cell or a coffin.

Define "there".

for a lot of people (including myself) this is very true. The dollar is worth less, and the price of everything is going up....

You're so much better than those lowlifes that dig ditches, aren't you?

The best part of this whole conversation is the large contingent of the American electorate who believe the ultra-rich when they tell them that they, too, will get to join their club if they keep voting for the people and policies that keep them rolling in cash.

What a bunch of delusional dimwits...they use you guys worse than slaves...because you do it willingly.

Fish on...

Todd

Todd, you hit this one out of the park!!!!


Fishy

I could switch out the ultra-liberal for ultra-conservative but since it came from Todd ultra-liberal seemed more useful.

"Rich corksoakers run both parties and use them as a distraction, while you guys fight with each other over inane meaningless issues, the ruling class walks off with all the money."

great line FP! gay rights, guns, abortion, etc.

I dont measure people by that standard. Its usually how they treat other people. Years ago, I had one apologize to me for being such an Ahole. He said he had been doing a lot of cocaine, when we worked together. Shortly after that, he banged his friends wife.

I know several guys who could dig ditches, but sitting on an excavator digging ditches does not interest them. Its called "Dirt work" Any excavator work pays pretty good. Been on a couple myself and towed a few to the job site. The guys who pick up a shovel are not low lifes. They usually just end up with bad backs. Thankfully, I dont have pickup a shovel every day.

Maybe if you knock the chip off your shoulder your attitude would improve.

You just did, stupid.

So his friend had a slutty wife... or maybe the friend was tired of banging the bitch, himself. So what?

Evidently the guy was a terrible judge of character when it came to friends and wives. Nobody's fault but his own.