you have GOT to be kidding me

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46729054/ns/us_news-environment/

can kill a B.E.

but still can't kill a sea lion.

lord how i love this goverment.

I hope the Eagles come back in another life and kill the Indians kids.

The permit is to kill 2 eagles.......BFD. They should probably just find two electrocuted or car struck birds and quit with this.

big deal? why not just use a chicken for religious purposes then? or what about a crow? why the National bird? Natives always have eagles on their totem poles, as if they are a great being or such... why kill them?

you would think that the Natives would be the front runners for protecting those birds, but no, they want to say that the US is impeding their religious rights, by not allowing them to take them...

whats next?

Why kill them? Well, you should ask them...it is, after all, their religious practices that they've been doing for many thousands of years before there were white men, the USA, or a "national bird".

I don't like it, but I don't like a lot of things that people do.

Fish on...

Todd

I'm not promoting the idea, redhook.....just saying that it is no big deal. It's a permitted use for two birds.....that's all. Why it is necessary to kill two live birds is a little beyond reason, IMO.....but the bird is not endangered and I'm reasonably sure the eagle had religious significance to the Tribe before it became our emblem. Once again.....why kill a living bird?......fkd if i know

it starts with 2, and ends up with 200... how many other tribes will follow this ritual now? the Natives are living far far better now, than they did when we werent here, yet they complain about it...

without us "the white man", they wouldnt have casinos, where they serve netted fish at, and take your money... they wouldnt have cars to drive around, they wouldnt have gas to operate their boats to net the fish... the wouldnt have boats period.. if it wasnt for the white man, they would still be cold, and doing things the old way...

im in no way bashing the religious beliefs of another human being, but if the bible told me to go kill a bunch of spotted owls to ward of bad weather, i would restrict myself from doing so...

to me the article seems like they are using the same "you guys screw us, and have screwed us" jargon that they always use, and honestly, it gets old...

If you believe that then our educational system is even more of a failure than I thought. They were doing just fine before we got here...not that it has anything to do with this conversation much, anyway.

Fish on...

Todd

what i meant Todd, is that they have everything they could ever want.. without us, they would just have dirt, fish, and themselves..

this also isnt 500+ years ago, so where would they be if we werent here?

The stupidity of superstition knows no end.

At least they modernized their practice and used a gun, the Gods must be proud.

Hard to fault the Indians for silly religious beliefs. They are in good company.

So, you think the Native Americans were backwards and impoverished before us whites came and saved them?

I can't even respond to something that ridiculous and ignorant...and take my comment about our educational system failures and give it a "10x"...thanks.

Fish on...

Todd

if you insist... i have this book, its called Sprits, Heros, and Hunters, from North American Mythology.. yes, you can say its false as its mythical, but this books stories are from 26 tribes representing ALL the main North AMerican Indian groups, and they are still remembered and respected...

what i will do, is type the last 2 pages of a chapter, involving the Eagle, i will type it correctly, and punctually as the book writes it... so your welcome...

Native Americans given the opportunity to kill 2 eagles for religious reasons is not a reason to give a [Bleeeeep!]- to give whities a opprotunity to kill native steelhead - then giv a [Bleeeeep!].

Casinos? Go there when you don't see the millions the put into a community for all even whities -think of the youth the handicapped and the elders for all.

The young man replied, 'I found the Eagle asleep in a tree. I crept up on him and tried to catch him, but he was too quick for me.
Nevertheless, I managed to pull out one of his tail feathers. Look!' Ande he held up the large glossy feather.
Kyehe was horrified, for the Eagle was chief of all bird, haughty, and proud, and one who would not easilly brook such an insult.
'What have you done, you supid boy? 'you have put us in very grave danger!
the old man rushed to the door of the lodge and looked up at the sky. In the distance he saw Eagle winging his way swiftly towards him.
He ran back inside and shouted to his nephew, 'Make haste! Hang the feather up in the smoke-hole. Perhaps when Eagle sees it there, he will take it away without causing any trouble.'
Trembling, they crouched in a corner of the lodge. They heard the wing-beats come closer and closer, until at last they knew that the Eagle must be hovering directly over the smoke-hole.
There was a long terrible silence and they scarcely dared to breathe. Then they heard Eagle fly away. They looked up. The fearther still hung in the smoke-hole.
The young mand sighed with relief and said, 'He has gone without taking the feather. We are safe now,' but his uncle groaned, 'No, this makes it all the worse, for he means to punish us. The danger is even greater now. We must call a council.'
Not all the animals were invited to the council. The strong and powerful animals, Bear and Wolf, and the fleet-footed, like Deer, were turned away for Kyehe told them, ' You have no need to fear Eagle. Only those who, like ourselves, are weak and slow, are in danger. '
Thus is was the creatures who had most to fear, like Otter, Skunk, Porcupine, and Turtle, who formed the council. Kyehe told them what had happened, and warned them that Eagle would return for his revenge bringing his friends Hawk, and Owl, and all the other birds of prey. Each of the council members described what they would do to defend themselves when the attack came.


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Joe cast a spoon into the most beautiful drift and the boat abided his working of the spoon fluttering into the deep green waters of the Hoh .. Then the line stopped and Joe thinking hung on the bottom pulls back-but the line resists and pulls upriver -30 minutes later they bonk a 32 lb native steelhead. They high five and drink a beer and take a piss on the bank of the hallowed waters that have given them the fish of their life-

Kyehe's nephew said, 'I will throw stones at them and drive them off! '
Skunk said, 'I will spray my scent at them and tear their eyes out!'
Porcupine said, 'I will run my quills through them if the come near me!'
Only Turtle said nothing. He just sat and looked about him, blinking sleepily, as turtles do.
While they were discussing their courses of action, Eagle and his friends appeared in the sky overhead. Imeadiately everyone forgot his brave resolve and fled towards a tall tree growing nearby, each scrambling over the other in his haste to reach the uppermost branches.
Once more Eagle swooped down on Kyehe's lodge, and hovered over the smoke-hole. The feather was no longer there!
Then animals looked round in suprise, and saw that, in the confusion, Turtle had carried it away! They watched Turtle plodding off through the woods with Eagle's feather clamped firmly in his jaws, and felt very frightened.
'We must try to stop him 'they gasped. 'He will put us all in danger.'
Porcupine climbed down from the tree and ran after Turtle. 'Stop! Stop!' he shouted. 'You must return the feather to the Eagle!' But Turtle kept on walking.
Porcupine was in a great quandary. 'Since he will not give back the feather, I had better hel him, 'he thought and he clambered onto Turtle's back to try to shield him from Eagle's view.
As they traveled along in this way, Porcupine scattered ashes in an attempt to conceal Turtle's tracks. Unfortunately, the asheshad quite the oppostite effect, only serving to make the tracks more conspicuous. Eagle and his friends had no difficulty at all in following Turtle and they soon caught up with him. Porcupine, fearing for his own safety, jumped off and beat a hasy retreat.
Seeing that he was surrounded, Turtle tucked the feather inside his shell, and drew in his head and legs. The birds began to beat him with sticks, but that, of course, had no effect on Turtles shell, so they decided to devise some other means of punnishment.
Gathering some dry leaves, and twigs, the built a fire and threw Turtle into it, but Turtle pretended that it was all a game to him, and laughed and rolled around in the flames as if he were enjoying himself tremendously.
Eagle was beside himself with rage. 'Since fire does not worry you,' he shouted, 'we will throw you in the river instead!'


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or
-A select few are full of shitt