See if I can get this one right- if not I will do my best.

Yakov fresh off the boat from Russia meets his friend Smirnoff they are going fishing on the Skagit River -it's March and no one is on the river. Smirnoff has learned how to plunk and they set up on the Potatoe Bar-lines are out and they sit and reminisce of days in the ole land-then Yakov's lines is dingn and rippin -30 minutes later there is a dead Nate steelhead at their feet and they drink more vod. They love America . Here comes the fish and game explaining this is against the law and Yakov and Smirnofff do not understand a word

At this, Turtle pretended to be very frightened. 'Oh no!' he shrieked. 'Not the river! Do anything else you will, but please, please do not throw me into the river!'
The birds dragged Turtle, struggling wildly and pleading for mercy, down to the river bank, and dropped him in the water. Turtle floundered about, howling as if in terror. Then he sank to the bottom like a ston and lay still.
Eagle and his friends, convinced that they at least put an end to this troublesome creature, flew away in great satisfaction.
No sooner had they gone, than Turtle swam across the river, and haled himself onto a log lying by the opposite bank. He pulled Eagle's feather from his shell and, waving it aloft, shouted, 'Kihe! Kihe!' which is the cry of a warrior who had defeated his enemies.
The animals hiding in the tree heard Turtle's cry of triumph and rushed down to the river to see what it meant. They were aghast to see that Turtle still had possession of the feather.
'We mus make him return it, 'said Otter.
'Who will go and take it from him? Porcupine, you go."
'Oh no, not I !' snorted Porcupine. 'I have put myself in enough danger already. Let Skunk go!' 'I cannot go!' said Skunk indignantly. 'I might drown. Otter is the best swimmer.
Otter was persuaded and swam across the river, to where Turtle sat, proudly flourishing Eagle's feather. As Otter climbed onto the log, Turtle dropped into the water and dived underneath. He came up on the other side of the log, and bit Otter's dangling tail hard. Otter yelped in pain, and jumping back into the water, swam as fast as he could to the safety of the bank.
After this, none of the animals dared to challenge Turtle and the Eagle feather remained in his possesion ever afterwards as a token of his superiority over all the animals and birds. To this day, the Indians claim, the turtle cannot be overpowered by anyone...


there, done... what that says to me, is that turtles are one bad mofos, and that Indians/Natives, respected, and feared Eagles... now, if this was just some stupid book, i could understand the sillyness of it... but its backed by all tribes, and respected by each and every single one of em...

The tribe is expecting their permit to get renewed every year. What a joke.

If the Makah's get another permit for whale, I'm heading up there for a taste. As far as eagles are concerned, there are plenty, just like there are plenty of whales. Neither is endangered, both have recovered, and limited harvest should not pose any issue.

Given the opportunity to shoot an eagle, I wouldn't do it.

Given the opportunity to plunge the harpoon into a whale, or perform the finishing shot, or participate in the flensing? I'm there, ready to pay the price of admission.

In some ways I don't agree with a lot of tribal issues, but as far as harvesting game, I really don't have much of an issue.

A phrase comes to mind... you give and inch and they take a mile!

Wasn't it Oregon that was going to kill some eagles because of some wind farm or something? No big issue here except small minds trying to make the issue bigger. You act like they are going to kill the eagles with those flossing beads or something.

something=their smell

wgaf

Yes - like....buffalo/bison


Exactly _now your thinking

they also had a hand in wiping out the Bison here as well, it wasnt just us...

Bill Cody tried to protect them, and he was a professional hunter, and a white man, but the government felt otherwise, as it would have taken away the primary source of food for the Natives... also, just 1 tribe, the Commanche tribe, was killing around 280,000 Bison a year.. thats just 1 tribe... im not saying that what we did 200 years ago was right, im saying, its not just our fault... as far as Eagles, they were endangered for a reason, why would you want to put them in any situation remotely the same as that?

about Bison:

read the 19th Century Bison Hunts..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Bison#Native_hunting

Bro - when I have reason when I have time I will look into your reads-thank you

If you were a child taken from your parents and told not to speak your native tongue and abusbubed to disbelief -your heritage raped - then bring up a native American asking a government to harvest 2 eagles for religios resaons.

A buddy tOld me of his Mexican neighbors slaying 2 goats hanging from a tree for their heritage their beliefs in mount Vernon -USA_

Who made a cry for the goats?

goats werent ever endangered... let me break it down...

tons of people get pissed off about Natives netting rivers, killing some of the last wild steelhead in the streams... i would have to say, that in the rivers that are closed to retention of them, there are WAY more of them than there are Eagle's in this state, now thats just 1 state...

so why be upset about something that was never near the status of the Eagle? or are Eagles just another stupid bird?


to me they arent, and should be left alone... by everyone

use a crow instead..

BWP, here is the book i have, if you would like to get one, they are rather cheap now... there are some very cool color illustrations in it as well...

http://www.amazon.com/Spirits-Heroes-Hun...mp;sr=8-1-spell

I personally would love to just have some dirt, fish and my people. Instead I have to do a bunch of bs, and this Internet thing.

+1 on the bald eagle killing with flossing beads, I'm sorry but that's funny.

In all reality give them their birds, there's hillbillies fishing the sky every day and I'm sure at least one bald eagle gets shot in the skagit basin a year by some white dude. I don't like the fact they get to net everything or that Commies net, yet it happens. I on the other hand would not give a care if they took their half with the same materials and watercraft from 500 years ago. If the natives want it old school then give it to them, we take our ridiculous technologies and give them back their land. I personally would love to just live off the land without the worries of modern society.

redhook, I'm figuring you either have some weird axe to grind, or really just don't know much...but your opinion on this is so bereft of fact, or logic, or even anything approaching correctitude (yes, I made that word up, it applies), that it makes me think you are being this ignorant on purpose.

Were it not for TeaBaggers and other assorted right wing nutcases, I'd think you were doing it just to be funny...but since they actually say and do things as ignorant as your last dozen posts, I'm unfortunately left in the position of having to take it as a possibility that you actually believe the utter bullschit you are posting here.

In that case...I'll once again visit my comment about the utter failure of our educational system to convey even the most basic tenets of American history.

Congratulations.

Fish on...

Todd

The conflict between religious beliefs and societal laws is not a new one. Fundy Mormons and multiple wives, some Muslims and stoning of adulteresses, -peyote eaters, animal sacrifices, it’s a long list. We draw the line where society chooses - today. Tomorrow? A nice compromise might be to give them the next two dead eagles that turn up. Or maybe their religion requires they do the killing.

As Mr. Dylan said . . .

Oh God said to Abraham, "Kill me a son"
Abe says, "Man, you must be puttin' me on"
God say, "No." Abe say, "What ?"
God say, "You can do what you want Abe, but
The next time you see me comin' you better run"
Well Abe says, "Where do you want this killin' done ?"
God says. "Out on Highway 61".

Your right I insulted myself

Good call_ "eng pete"

These hillbillies kinda freak me out--No offense if thats your bag

Any Indian who kills a Eagle ought to be banished.