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#748192 - 03/17/12 08:26 PM Toyota Towing Power
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I'm looking at buying a new truck soon and have been looking at the Toyota Tacoma Crew Cab 4x4 with the V6. Does anyone have any insight to the towing capabilities of these trucks. I have a 19' Super Vee on a Rogue trailer and pull it with my Explorer with the V8. I have no problem pulling it with my Explorer, but I don't want to make a mistake with 30 less HP with the Toyota. Any thoughts?

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#748195 - 03/17/12 08:57 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: charr]
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I can't speak to that particular Taco but here is the most comprehensive Tacoma towing guide....
http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/towing/4031-tacoma-towing-bible.html
The current Tacoma model (2005 - present) is called 2nd Generation.

Taco suspension is very easy to upgrade if you are going that way.
I just did mine...send me a PM if you get a Taco.
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#748209 - 03/17/12 09:48 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 2MANY
Toyota and Towing are 2words that should not be used in the same sentence.

So you're the one.




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#748210 - 03/17/12 09:52 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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I would be more concerned about braking.
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#748214 - 03/17/12 09:59 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
I would be more concerned about braking.

Trailer brakes.
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#748245 - 03/17/12 11:06 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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If it's a single axel, I doubt it has brakes, besides those damn things never work. moose
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#748265 - 03/17/12 11:34 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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Both of my Tundra's have done just fine with towing and stopping.

Chevy not so much, Ford would tow anything at 8 miles a gallon and Dodge well you could give me one but I would just put it up for sale.

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#748266 - 03/17/12 11:38 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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DD, Thanks for the link to the towing guide. A big help. This boat is not that heavy, (Don't have the specs on hand) It tows a lot easier than the 16' Crestliner I had before.

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#748273 - 03/17/12 11:55 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: charr]
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Originally Posted By: charr
DD, Thanks for the link to the towing guide. A big help. This boat is not that heavy, (Don't have the specs on hand) It tows a lot easier than the 16' Crestliner I had before.

I just got a hand out from Toyota the other day, announcing that they now rent everything that they sell.
< wink >

You might have to bend a rule......but.....just don't wreck.

You might even be able to do it on the up and up if they (sales) thought that this was a deciding factor.

DD
Who rented a pickup and ran down to Springfield, OR to pick up a boat trailer once.
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#748277 - 03/18/12 12:38 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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The 4.0 Taco motor will pull anything that a V8 can pull. Those things are super powerful for a V6. Can it stop a boat like a full-size? Nope.

A Freightliner would be ideal for pulling a boat, but few can afford one.

Spend your money on a full-size Tundra or a GMC 1/2 ton.

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#748284 - 03/18/12 01:24 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Ford would tow anything at 8 miles a gallon

Fishy

My 7.3 powerstroke will tow the 5th wheel and a hay trailer loaded and get almost 20 MPG.
Gas vehicles and towing are a problem IMHO. I towed all of our stuff from Wyoming when I moved to WA and got 18-20mpg.

Noted my truck is also modified for towing and fuel mileage.
Back to the topic of his taco towing.

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#748286 - 03/18/12 01:30 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: MikeH]
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Also those fuel readings were after the diesel quality went to sh!t. Before I got even better mileage. Now I have to run DDP additive to make the quality of the fuel even close to what it was.

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#748288 - 03/18/12 01:33 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: McMahon]
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#748290 - 03/18/12 01:48 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: McMahon]
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Originally Posted By: McMahon
Spend your money on a full-size Tundra or a GMC 1/2 ton.

Or a diesel. Since they are made to tow. Anything besides a gay man chevy (GMC). Or just be happy with what you have. I think the Tacoma will tow just fine. maybe not the most fuel efficient setup but it will work. Brakes might be sketchy at times but I have towed bigger loads than that boat with my jeep (not safe).
Is the Tacoma in question and auto or a manual???

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#748300 - 03/18/12 02:24 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam
Originally Posted By: McMahon
The 4.0 Taco motor will pull anything that a V8 can pull. Those things are super powerful for a V6. Can it stop a boat like a full-size?


No doubt a Ford Powerstroke will pull a bit faster, but... you're stuck with a Ford for the rest of the year

My 7.3 powerstroke motor is designed by Navistar international. Not ford. The ford designed motors suck balls and have horrible turbo and injector problems in working applications.
Just saying.

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#748301 - 03/18/12 02:27 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: MikeH]
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Go FORD or go home. thumbs
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#748307 - 03/18/12 03:13 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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I like "real" trucks. wink Some of the new Tundra's are nice looking.


Edited by Sol Duc (03/18/12 03:25 AM)
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#748320 - 03/18/12 11:55 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Go FORD or go home. thumbs

But, 300,000 thousand miles later is only an option with Tojo.

Clearly there is a lack of knowledge on how long diesel motors will go for. 300,000 is not very long for a good diesel to last.

I agree that if we are talking gas only the Toyota will last longer than most fords,chevs,and all dodge gas trucks. I think the main problem with towing with a gas truck is going to be the valve body in the trans cracking from too much strain and multiple other trans issues. Manual Trans is the only way to go if your gonna "tow" with gas.

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#748326 - 03/18/12 12:17 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: stam

No doubt a Ford Powerstroke will pull a bit faster, but... you're stuck with a Ford for the rest of the year.....

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#748338 - 03/18/12 01:03 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: MikeH]
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Originally Posted By: MikeH
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Ford would tow anything at 8 miles a gallon

Fishy

My 7.3 powerstroke will tow the 5th wheel and a hay trailer loaded and get almost 20 MPG.
Gas vehicles and towing are a problem IMHO. I towed all of our stuff from Wyoming when I moved to WA and got 18-20mpg.

Noted my truck is also modified for towing and fuel mileage.
Back to the topic of his taco towing.


I knew someone would bring the diesel factor into it and rave about how great they are, but at what cost? Seems the OP wants to keep that in check and wants a rig that will tow and not be a behemoth the rest of the time.

My Tundra does quite well and suits me just fine.

Fishy
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#748344 - 03/18/12 01:20 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Used to tow a 17' Arima up, down and sideways across the State with my '91 Toy 4x4 3L. Used to regularly see a guy at Sekiu that used the same truck to pull a 22' Sea Sport.

Shortly after purchase, I added better shocks, heavier rear leaf springs, headers and K&N air filter system with a noticeable improvement. It's not a 4L or a Cummins, but it still does just fine by me....

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#748345 - 03/18/12 01:25 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Originally Posted By: MikeH
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Ford would tow anything at 8 miles a gallon

Fishy

My 7.3 powerstroke will tow the 5th wheel and a hay trailer loaded and get almost 20 MPG.
Gas vehicles and towing are a problem IMHO. I towed all of our stuff from Wyoming when I moved to WA and got 18-20mpg.

Noted my truck is also modified for towing and fuel mileage.
Back to the topic of his taco towing.


I knew someone would bring the diesel factor into it and rave about how great they are, but at what cost? Seems the OP wants to keep that in check and wants a rig that will tow and not be a behemoth the rest of the time.

My Tundra does quite well and suits me just fine.

Fishy

I like my behemoth smile
I never said your tundra is not nice. I like the tundra. I own a diesel because I needed it to tow heavy loads before I moved to WA.
I never said is was better, but it does suit my needs quite well. I have a valid opinion being that I work on trucks and cars for a living and have driven most kinds of trucks at some point and time. If you factor the price of fuel and the average MPG it actually equals out to almost even between a diesel and gas. Especially in towing times.

Back to the subject of him getting his taco ready for towing.


Edited by MikeH (03/18/12 01:27 PM)

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#748355 - 03/18/12 02:05 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: MikeH]
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Back to the subject of him getting his taco ready for towing.

Bullschitt.
You want to talk about Ford diesels.

rofl
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#748359 - 03/18/12 02:09 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Originally Posted By: MikeH

Back to the subject of him getting his taco ready for towing.

Bullschitt.
You want to talk about Ford diesels.

rofl

Haha beer

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#748361 - 03/18/12 02:13 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: MikeH]
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#748362 - 03/18/12 02:17 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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You knew this thread wouldn't be straightforward, didn't you?

smile

The Taco won't be an ideal tow vehicle, but it will do the job. The brakes are probably your weak point. I have a Taco with the 3.4L six, and a slush box tranny, and it wouldn't be my first choice to tow sh!t with, but it does alright.

A manual tranny would be a better choice, but I'm not towing all the time, and the rest of the time it's nice not to be shifting gears all the time.

My Taco has been completely trouble-free approaching 200K, which could be the best thing about the truck. You get in it, drive it there, and then drive back, with no bullsh!t in between. That's what I want my truck to do, and that's what it does.

The resale value on the Tacoma tells you a lot. It's a solid truck. It's not the best choice for anything specific, it's just a good all around truck.
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#748363 - 03/18/12 02:20 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Dan S.]
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#748379 - 03/18/12 03:19 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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wtf is a Taco?
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#748380 - 03/18/12 03:21 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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Rumor has it that Ford is going to put out a diesel F-150.
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#748384 - 03/18/12 03:30 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: MikeH]
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Originally Posted By: MikeH
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Originally Posted By: MikeH
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Ford would tow anything at 8 miles a gallon

Fishy

My 7.3 powerstroke will tow the 5th wheel and a hay trailer loaded and get almost 20 MPG.
Gas vehicles and towing are a problem IMHO. I towed all of our stuff from Wyoming when I moved to WA and got 18-20mpg.

Noted my truck is also modified for towing and fuel mileage.
Back to the topic of his taco towing.


I knew someone would bring the diesel factor into it and rave about how great they are, but at what cost? Seems the OP wants to keep that in check and wants a rig that will tow and not be a behemoth the rest of the time.

My Tundra does quite well and suits me just fine.

Fishy

I like my behemoth smile
I never said your tundra is not nice. I like the tundra. I own a diesel because I needed it to tow heavy loads before I moved to WA.
I never said is was better, but it does suit my needs quite well. I have a valid opinion being that I work on trucks and cars for a living and have driven most kinds of trucks at some point and time. If you factor the price of fuel and the average MPG it actually equals out to almost even between a diesel and gas. Especially in towing times.

Back to the subject of him getting his taco ready for towing.


Sorry if I hit a nerve,not slamming diesels but their up front costs are a bit much especially if your only going to tow a single axle trailer and use it to get groceries the rest of the time.

I'll keep my Tundra.

Fishy
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#748388 - 03/18/12 03:40 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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I agree completely. Diesel might be a little overkill for most single axle pulls.


Edited by MikeH (03/18/12 03:41 PM)

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#748391 - 03/18/12 03:48 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Rumor has it that Ford is going to put out a diesel F-150.

Also a bad idea. Half ton trans and drivetrain would not be able to handle the power gains.

Also I am not a powerstroke fan. I own the only powerstroke motor that I would buy (7.3 navistar international, IH).
All the other powerstroke motors are plagued by major issues. There are some people who own the newer ones have no probs but I would not want to risk it with how much diesels cost.

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#748397 - 03/18/12 04:07 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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wtf is a Taco?

Nvrmnd.
Just something all the cool kids have.



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#748416 - 03/18/12 05:43 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Are they pink by any chance? banana
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#748421 - 03/18/12 05:54 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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Are they pink by any chance? banana

Sounds like yer a cool kid.
Take a look.
Is it pink ?


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#748423 - 03/18/12 05:56 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Farker!
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#748432 - 03/18/12 06:16 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Agree, think it will be a big seller rofl
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#748445 - 03/18/12 06:53 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
Originally Posted By: MikeH
Originally Posted By: Sol Duc
Rumor has it that Ford is going to put out a diesel F-150.

Also a bad idea. Half ton trans and drivetrain would not be able to handle the power gains.

Also I am not a powerstroke fan. I own the only powerstroke motor that I would buy (7.3 navistar international, IH).
All the other powerstroke motors are plagued by major issues. There are some people who own the newer ones have no probs but I would not want to risk it with how much diesels cost.


A 150 with a smaller diesel is an AWESOME idea ... the fuel economy alone will be unmatchable.

Not all PS motors were trouble. My 05 has been flawless wink

As I said some people have not had problems. The 6.0 was known for premature turbo falure and injector issues.
I think they are still nice truck tho. Not my cup of tea.

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#748465 - 03/18/12 08:04 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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#748473 - 03/18/12 08:31 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
I would rather have the new one ... but the price isnt my cup of tea. lol
Haha seriously. I dont know too much about the new 6.7 PS. I like the new look of the body tho grin

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#748494 - 03/18/12 10:05 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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I had an '05 Tacoma, Quad Cab, long bed, 4wd, tow package. the best truck I've ever owned... not the nicest... but the best.

I towed a 21' travel trailer that maxed out the towing capacity (3500lb)and it towed pretty damn good! Hell - it even stopped good the few times I forgot to hook up the brakes on the trailer. Fuel economy took a big dip when towing (about 9-10 mpg) and I usually kept it out of overdrive and below 60-65. It was nice to get 20+ without towing though.

I lost it in the divorce. I had the truck up to 120k and towed with it the last weekend I drove it - believe it or not it was still on the original brakes. Without a trailer, off the line or in passing gear that thing will suprise the sh!t out of you.

Went shopping for trucks after the divorce and guess what - couldn't afford a used F'n Toyota... ended up with a used half ton GMC. Dont get me wrong - It is a super nice truck - way more comfortable than the Toyota - the climate control, heated leather seats and electric everything kick a$$ till you have to fix it. But if I had my choice now I would still be driving a Toyota...



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#748550 - 03/19/12 01:42 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: charr]
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Craig, I used to tow an 18' Alumaweld Seadory with a '92 Dodge Dakota with 265 HP. No problem towing, no problem braking. Not sure what HP the Tacoma has but hope this helps.
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#748580 - 03/19/12 12:39 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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unless you have a 3/4 ton truck with the brakes a half ton wont do that well stoping. If your hauling gravel or a full bed you wont be able to do it safely with a v6 tacoma that has a full size bed a 1/2 ton with air bags and trailer brakes are a min. If the boat launch is 10 min from home that 4.0 v6 tacoma is fine but not driving it hour and half to sekui. The new 5.7 tundra is built for towing and is a sweet truck but id still rather have a cummins.

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#748587 - 03/19/12 01:13 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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i have a '10 dbl cab tacoma with the long bed, a canopy and the tow package. i have no difficulties towing my 18' starcraft aluminum (90 merc 2-stroke main, 9.9 4stroke kicker) and all the gear. i have the auto trans (don't think you can get the 6-spd manual in the dbl cab?), and it hunts for the right gear a bit while towing. the tow package included a tranny cooler and the oil filter is mounted remotely to help with heat dissipation. a few weeks ago, i towed my friend's drift boat, 4 guys, enough beer for an army, tents, firewood, coolers, food, all the fixin's for a winter weekend camping/fishing from seattle to forks with no problems at all. i had more than enough power to pull out into traffic after we stopped for more beer, and passed several rigs on some of the uphills. i'm not sure of the mileage, but that's one of my issues with this truck. i only get around 18-19 around town. i talked to a guy at a gas station one time who had the 5.7 tundra, and he said he got the same mileage with the V8. i've logged about a million miles in toyotas, never had one leave me stranded, never blew one up.



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#748606 - 03/19/12 02:27 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: landcruiserwilly]
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They have a electronic mpg on the dash. 18-19 is a strech for those 5.7 the new ones clame 16-20 mpg but the 07 to 09 are claiming only 14 to 17. My buddy just bought an 08 tundra and he was only geting 16 before he lifted it now its more like 14. Not saying you cant tow with your tacoma dc but its not going to tow that great at 234 hp and 266 ft lb of torque. Just saying. Nothing against your truck there great but its less than the first gen tundras towing capacity and those needed a towing brake to tow any fifth wheel. My 2.7 tacoma will tow a drift boat no prob


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#748620 - 03/19/12 03:03 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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... and it hunts for the right gear a bit while towing.

Hunting supposedly is bad for tranny.
Switch off OD.


Originally Posted By: Bigtrout15
My 2.7 tacoma will tow a drift boat no prob

Mine too.
I can go hog wild.

I was pleasantly surprised by the power that the 2.7 makes.
Mine holds 5th gear on cruise in moderate grades.
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#748642 - 03/19/12 04:10 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: deckercreekdick
My tundra is the 5.7 6speed auto 4x4 crewmax in the rock warrior off rd pkg.... Gets 13-14 in town best I've ever gotten on freeway is 17. Definately not the best mpg out there.. Think if someone were planning on towing it'd be wise to go with tundra over Tacoma... Just my opionion

It all depends on how much weight you plan on towing.
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#748646 - 03/19/12 04:21 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Originally Posted By: Direct-Drive
Originally Posted By: landcruiserwilly
... and it hunts for the right gear a bit while towing.

Hunting supposedly is bad for tranny.
Switch off OD.




There is no supposedly about it. Hunting back and forth creates heat. Heat is the number one killer of automatic transmissions.

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#748651 - 03/19/12 04:45 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: SundayMoney]
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Originally Posted By: landcruiserwilly
... and it hunts for the right gear a bit while towing.

Hunting supposedly is bad for tranny.
Switch off OD.




There is no supposedly about it. Hunting back and forth creates heat. Heat is the number one killer of automatic transmissions.

I know.
Just trying to be polite.
Thanks for the backup.

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#748652 - 03/19/12 04:53 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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yeah, i always drop to 4th when towing, probably should have mentioned that. you'll never overheat a manual, and I miss having one sometimes. and i agree the taco is probably not the greatest tow vehicle on the road, but it certainly is capable to comfortably tow the boat in question. i used to tow my 16' smokercraft with my '87 xtra cab 22R, and didn't have any real issues--but i didn't take it over the pass. i wouldn't hesitate to pull my current boat anywhere with the taco. there's no way i'd want to pull a 5th wheel, tho.....



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#748655 - 03/19/12 04:58 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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If you have a powerstroke, switching the button to "tow/haul" mode also turns on the engine brake grin

Now that's cheatin' right there.



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#748792 - 03/20/12 12:42 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
If you have a powerstroke, switching the button to "tow/haul" mode also turns on the engine brake grin

Now that's cheatin' right there.



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#748804 - 03/20/12 01:58 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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The towing capacity for the Gen 4 tacos 2008-up is 6500 lbs. I figure my boat, trailer, motors and gear weigh in around 2500 tops. Passengers, fuel, etc another 500.




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#748807 - 03/20/12 02:07 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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The gas mileage on the Toyo V6 blows too. You can get better mileage and more power/capacity out of a Chevy 1/2 ton with the V8.

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#748811 - 03/20/12 02:24 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
The gas mileage on the Toyo V6 blows too. You can get better mileage and more power/capacity out of a Chevy 1/2 ton with the V8.


Big 10-4, however, you cannot fit a .5 ton into some of the shitholes a yota can fit....it was enough to sway my purchase.

Factory locker aint bad, neither.

Gas milage to power ratio are less than optimal in all 4x4 yotas. Give to get, I guess.

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#748820 - 03/20/12 05:55 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Both of my Tundra's have done just fine with towing and stopping.

Chevy not so much, Ford would tow anything at 8 miles a gallon and Dodge well you could give me one but I would just put it up for sale.

Fishy


Hes looking at the Tacoma.

He should go with a Tundra or a Nissan Titan. If he gets the ford, he better be tall. The boxes are really deep.
4x4 is also required. I looked and drove the tacoma. Its short on power and most transmissions are over rated, not under rated. 5.6 liter Titan has 317 hp. You can get them with factory sprayon bedliner and the cargo channel track system is the real deal. Call your auto insurance too, cause the rates are different for every truck brand and model.

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#748833 - 03/20/12 09:35 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: landcruiserwilly]
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Originally Posted By: landcruiserwilly
The towing capacity for the Gen 4 tacos 2008-up is 6500 lbs. I figure my boat, trailer, motors and gear weigh in around 2500 tops. Passengers, fuel, etc another 500.




Willy

There's no Gen 4 Taco. (4Runner or something ?)

Current Taco is Generation 2 (2005 - present)
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#748836 - 03/20/12 09:46 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: DBAppraiser]
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Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
The gas mileage on the Toyo V6 blows too. You can get better mileage and more power/capacity out of a Chevy 1/2 ton with the V8.

The Taco 2.7 is in a league of its own on capability and fuel mileage.
I was shopping for basic transportation with 4x4 and light towing.

The best fuel mileage that I've recorded is 26.7
Two people
Loaded with camping gear
Moderate grades
Cruise set at 65

I can run in the upper 70's and still be in the 20's on fuel.

My first mid-size truck.
Pushing 50K and all expectations continue to be met.

Topic drift.
Sorry OP.
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#748851 - 03/20/12 10:54 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 2MANY
Get a Subaru wagon, slap a "Free Tibet" sticker on it, mount the spey rod on the top of the cab, and leave the boat at home.

You have to agree to slalom drive at 85 before you can get one of those.
And blast up the outside lane as much as possible.

Back to topic, please.
Tacoma V6 Towing.
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#748872 - 03/20/12 12:01 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Originally Posted By: Direct-Drive
Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
The gas mileage on the Toyo V6 blows too. You can get better mileage and more power/capacity out of a Chevy 1/2 ton with the V8.

The Taco 2.7 is in a league of its own on capability and fuel mileage.
I was shopping for basic transportation with 4x4 and light towing.

The best fuel mileage that I've recorded is 26.7
Two people
Loaded with camping gear
Moderate grades
Cruise set at 65

I can run in the upper 70's and still be in the 20's on fuel.

My first mid-size truck.
Pushing 50K and all expectations continue to be met.

Topic drift.
Sorry OP.



your 2.7 must be half electric. haha I have a 97 reg cab 4x4 with the 2.7 and it will get in the 20s cruzin 70 but best i think i can get is 23 or 24 tops. usaly 22 best.


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#748879 - 03/20/12 12:20 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Bigtrout15
Originally Posted By: Direct-Drive
Originally Posted By: DBAppraiser
The gas mileage on the Toyo V6 blows too. You can get better mileage and more power/capacity out of a Chevy 1/2 ton with the V8.

The Taco 2.7 is in a league of its own on capability and fuel mileage.
I was shopping for basic transportation with 4x4 and light towing.

The best fuel mileage that I've recorded is 26.7
Two people
Loaded with camping gear
Moderate grades
Cruise set at 65

I can run in the upper 70's and still be in the 20's on fuel.

My first mid-size truck.
Pushing 50K and all expectations continue to be met.

Topic drift.
Sorry OP.



your 2.7 must be half electric. haha I have a 97 reg cab 4x4 with the 2.7 and it will get in the 20s cruzin 70 but best i think i can get is 23 or 24 tops. usaly 22 best.

That mileage was with the stock tires (245/75-16) and about 12K on the truck.
There are some mileage nuts over on Tacoma World that are claiming around 30.
But they're coasting and driving granny.
Likely too, that the fuel management system has been improved since '97. Mine's an '09.

Then there are others that load up the 2.7 with heavy oversize tires, lift, re-gear and complain about fuel mileage.

I just lifted and went up to 265/70-17 and I probably took a mileage hit.
RPM's are a little lower. I need to check the MPG's and see.
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#748885 - 03/20/12 01:07 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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My 010 Tundra SR5, 5.7/ 4x4 DC w/ 6.5 bed will get 14 around town and I have gotten 18-19 cruzin at 65, but I usually drive it harder and get less.

My 06 Tundra SR5, 4,7/ 4x4 Access cab w/ 6.5 bed would get about 15 around town and maybe 19-20 if I kept it at 65.

Both are pretty powerful trucks in their range and I have been very happy with both. I have owned 11 F250's, 1-F100 and one Dodge power wagon, though I have had others for work trucks and all around I am much happier with the Toyota's than with any of the others. I do not haul anything really heavy anymore and don't need to.


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#748888 - 03/20/12 01:25 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
My 010 Tundra SR5, 5.7/ 4x4 DC w/ 6.5 bed will get 14 around town and I have gotten 18-19 cruzin at 65, but I usually drive it harder and get less.

My 06 Tundra SR5, 4,7/ 4x4 Access cab w/ 6.5 bed would get about 15 around town and maybe 19-20 if I kept it at 65.

Both are pretty powerful trucks in their range and I have been very happy with both. I have owned 11 F250's, 1-F100 and one Dodge power wagon, though I have had others for work trucks and all around I am much happier with the Toyota's than with any of the others. I do not haul anything really heavy anymore and don't need to.



How did you like that first gen tundra. Im thinking about geting one but with the close fuel milage to the 5.7 its hard to get a small v8 that gets about the same. The 4.7 is about like a 283 im guessing. There luxurious trucks tho.

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#748891 - 03/20/12 01:35 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 2MANY
Borla, CAI, chip, bottle (Nos), GIB (geek in back-fuel/air management). Then add the Tibet sticker.

Fixed.


Geezer.




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#748934 - 03/20/12 04:35 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Old Geezer.

Well, I didn't want to go that far, but since you insist, so be it.

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#748985 - 03/20/12 09:06 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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I was very impressed with the first gen tundra, the 4.7 had tons of power and did everything I wanted it to do. I tow a boat that is heavier than yours and have never had a problem. One of the things I like too is that Toyota puts bigger rotors on this trucks and they stop way better than any of my Fords ever thought of.

I moved up to the second gen because of the larger size, more room, larger towing capacity and the comfort and very glad I did.

After driving Fords most of my contracting days I am now a convert to these Toyota's as they are great trucks and they are made in Texas!


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#748996 - 03/20/12 09:44 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Ford trucks brakes have always sucked.
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#748997 - 03/20/12 09:53 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Sol Duc]
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JB8 = 10000lb. disc 12.50X1.54 / drum 13.00X3.50
Hydraulic-Hydro-Boost

That's what my 1 ton Chevy had.
A very good brake system.

When you see Hydro-Boost in the brake system description, that's good stuff.
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#749010 - 03/20/12 10:52 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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That one ton may be a bit bigger than what the OP wants to tow a single axle trailer.


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#749016 - 03/20/12 11:23 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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That one ton may be a bit bigger than what the OP wants to tow a single axle trailer.
FIshy

I know. Braggin' on the domestic brake options available.
Toyota does good brakes with dual piston calipers, etc. as well.
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#749022 - 03/20/12 11:35 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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And SS brake lines. thumbs
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#749037 - 03/20/12 11:59 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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You do know about the reverse thingy...
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#749057 - 03/21/12 01:13 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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While driving in reverse and braking at the same time will automatically adjust them (to a certain degree)
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#749083 - 03/21/12 11:25 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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trailerboats

this is the article that convinced me to go toyota... since I will probably never tow anything over 3500 there was really no need to go with a super duty anything...

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#749213 - 03/21/12 10:00 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Holy sh!t. This is still going on.

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#749262 - 03/22/12 12:01 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Chuck S.
Although the parking brake on F250 is a complete P O S ....................


It is damn impossible to keep the pile of crap even close to being adjusted, let alone functional.

Team Yota at least doesnt have that issue......

I've never priced them...prolly not cheap... but some backhoes,
forklifts, etc. have these in addition to a mechanical E-brake.
I think my old Jeep had one...they work.
http://www.mico.com/products/lever-lock
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#749264 - 03/22/12 12:04 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: MikeH
Holy sh!t. This is still going on.


The only thing that talks more than us ... is Todd rofl

I can hear him down here in Vancouver.
He's singing at the moment....must be twisting up some spinners.
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#749334 - 03/22/12 12:13 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Direct-Drive]
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Todd is taking a beating on a Tacoma thread? Sounds like you guys are a little obsessed.


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#749347 - 03/22/12 01:00 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Todd is taking a beating on a Tacoma thread? Sounds like you guys are a little obsessed.


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#749399 - 03/22/12 03:36 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Jerry Garcia]
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Originally Posted By: Jerry Garcia
Originally Posted By: Somethingsmellsf
Todd is taking a beating on a Tacoma thread? Sounds like you guys are a little obsessed.


Fishy


pot kettle black


Ditto!
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#749404 - 03/22/12 04:04 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Though it's not a Tacoma, my Toyota 04' Tundra pulls my 23'10" Wooly around just fine!

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#749508 - 03/22/12 09:26 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Cobbly Cruiser]
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Thats a nice boat Cobbly. haha would look nicer behind my truck but still very nice set up. smile

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#749532 - 03/22/12 11:50 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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"I put airbags on the rear axles just so I could load 'er down"

Thinking of doing this myself to put a camper on my truck. That and the Puma and I will be fishin' with squatch in no man's land. Anyone want to buy a drift boat so I can afford this?
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#749536 - 03/23/12 12:02 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: ]
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I tow w/ my 03 taco have been for 8 years. only thing i am watching when towing is rain and stopping. as it takes a little more room to do so. but has never let me down and am hoping i hit the 300,000 mark as that's why I bought the truck. Mine gets beat pretty good. and besides a couple axle seals and oil change she has never let me down yet almost got 150k and starting to think about its first timing belt

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#749541 - 03/23/12 12:47 AM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: hybridcx]
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"tow " is a very vague word. Some "tow" 1000lbs some tow 10,000lbs. There is a difference between the 2.
For almost all fishing boat towing the yota can get the job done for sure. Most heavy tows are best set for the bigger truck IMO.

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#749644 - 03/23/12 05:30 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: MikeH]
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Cobble Cruiser has convinced me. I know my 19' Super Vee is lighter than his Woolridge and that's the truck I've been looking at. The only thing about the Toyota is it's really hard to find one with leather interior. Seat covers would be installed.
Christ, as long as this thread has been going, I should have already bought the truck and put 20k miles on it. Thanks for the input guts. I got alot of good information.

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#749647 - 03/23/12 06:40 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: charr]
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Yay, I win! grin
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#749675 - 03/23/12 09:44 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: charr]
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Originally Posted By: charr
Cobble Cruiser has convinced me. I know my 19' Super Vee is lighter than his Woolridge and that's the truck I've been looking at. The only thing about the Toyota is it's really hard to find one with leather interior. Seat covers would be installed.
Christ, as long as this thread has been going, I should have already bought the truck and put 20k miles on it. Thanks for the input guts. I got alot of good information.



Not sure if the first gen Tundra limited had leather but you can get it in the second gen Tundra limited.


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#749703 - 03/23/12 11:11 PM Re: Toyota Towing Power [Re: Cobbly Cruiser]
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Originally Posted By: Cobbly Cruiser
Yay, I win! grin

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