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#75749 - 01/30/03 02:21 PM Re: Varmit hunting
Dave D Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 10/04/01
Posts: 3563
Loc: Gold Bar
Kingfisher85

Mini14, love mine laugh

You said &#8220;another $20 per mag for 20 round mags&#8221;

Since our beloved Brady Bill went into affect it will run you 50-100 for any functional mag any more. frown frown frown

Love my mini but if I did not already own 2 twenty rounders, 2 thirty rounders and 2 forty rounders I would not repurchase this gun. The mags have just gotten to far out of hand for anything that is quality and will actually feed. Plus the Mini has never been known for accuracy. We use ours for Jackrabbits in Utah and for waging major wars on Pepsi cans in gravel pits. Great gun just with the lack of mags anymore I would not suggest this rifle unless you want to be limited to the factory five round mag. There are some good quality 10 rounders that function flawlessly

http://www.johnmasen.com/Merchant2/merch...tegory_Code=RMA

All those mags you may see in say Cabala's or Bass Pro shops are JUNK, they will not feed.

Mini 14 Mag Facts

Mini-14 Magazine FAQ
Draft Edition 2
By Martin 'Ace' Mershon
12/14/99

This is a listing of various magazines for the Mini-14.

The magazines may be divided into two general categories - Factory Ruger
and Aftermarket. All factory magazines have good reviews. If they were
just more available (like GI M-16 mags) there would be no need for the
aftermarket mags.


Factory Ruger Mags.
------------------
The best magazines are mfg by (for) Ruger. They are excellent quality
and are long lasting (made of steel). They (have) come in 5, 10, 20 &
30rd capacities.

The 5rd mag fits flush into the stock of the rifle and is still
available to the public. The rear mag catch is stamped and the butplate
is plastic w/ the ruger logo. All factory magazines have no taper and
are smaller at the front (w/o a step).

The 10rd mags are not currently mfg and are rare.

The 20 and 30rd mags are uncommon and quite expensive these days ($50 to
$100 each). They may be identified by the ruger logo and Mini-14
stamped into the floorplate. The 20rd has a stamped rear mag catch
while the 30rd has a welded mag catch along with a dimple for additional
support. There are also some older 20rd (and mabey 30rd) factory mags
with pinned bottoms. The plastic bottom plate is held in by four
spring-loaded pins. One hole in each sid of the mag, about an inch down
from the top and 3/4 inch in from the back. Welded mag catch with sharp
corners. Smooth plastic follower. RUGER stamped on the side. No taper
that I can see. New 20 and 30rd mags are still available from Ruger for
sale to LEO only per the '94 AW ban.

Aftermarket Mags.
----------------
The quality of aftermarket magazines is much more variable. Many mags
are good but bad mags can be found from
any mfg. It is best to buy from a source that will allow returns and
test them promptly. Generally the mags made just before the ban give
more trouble than the mags mfg prior. Often bad mags can be made to
function with some work <G>. There are also some no-name mags out
there (unmarked). Some of these are good, some are bad. The
aftermarket magazines are mfg from plastic and or steel.


Eagle: 35rd
-----------
These magazines have a good reputation.

These are clear or plastic bodied magazines. The springs are a unique
coil type spring, functioning similar to a tape measure. They may be
identified by 'Eagle' molded into the side. They are said to be the
same as the Millet Magazines

(were some of these bad or was it just the mini-30 eagles?)

John Masen: 30rd
-----------------------
These magazines have a good reputation. (They are my prefered
aftermarket magazine.)

These mags are a good copy of the factory ruger 30rd magazine except
they are painted instead of blued. (currently available in 10rd -
Diminished Capacity)

These magazines are made of steel with a welded, rounded edge magazine
catch. The magazine has no taper (top to bottom) and the front of the
magazine is narrower all the the way from top to bottom. The magazine
has the factory style dimple below the mag catch and the follower has
'legs' to help prevent canting.

The magazine inserts and feeds well. The bolt is held open after the
last shot. These were the only aftermarket magazines that function
properly in full auto according to reports.

There was at least one batch of these magazines with the mag catch
welded to high on the magazine (causing the mag to hang low). Most were
recalled by masen for repair. I had some this way and they repaired my
magazine free of charge.

Mitchel:
--------
These magazines feed ok but are difficult to insert properly.

The magazine is made of steel. The mag catch is pressed out of the
steel in a sadle shape.

MWG: 90rd drum
--------------
These are black plastic bodied magazines. They are a drum type magazine
with an interchangable mag well. The rear of the mag is clear plastic
so the rounds remaing can be verified.

No functional reviews of these mags were received.

Precision Magazine Industries (PMI): 10, 20, 30 and 40 rd
------------------------------------
These magazines have a good reputation except among full auto users.

These are steel or Stainless steel bodied magazines. The square
cornered mag catch is welded on and the magazine body has taper from the
top to the bottom. The magazine has no dimple below the catch and has a
step (becomes wider at the front below the mag well). The follower does
not have 'legs' and is not of the anticant design. Some mags are
stamped with mfg information (PMI, Precision, etc.), others are not.

The mags insert, feed and hold the bolt open ok.

Full auto users have experienced feeding difficulties.

Ramline: 30rd Combo Mag (also fits AR)
--------------------------------------
I have recieved mixed reviews of these magazines.

These are clear plastic bodied magazines. These mags fit the mini-14
and the AR family of weapons. These
mags have Ramline Combo Mag moulded into the mag body.

They do not hold the bolt open reliably. There were some reports of
insufficent spring pressure. Early production magazines seem to
function fine. Those produced just prior to the magazine ban are much
less reliable according to reports.


Thermold: 30rd
--------------
I have recieved mixed reviews of these magazines.

These are black plastic bodied magazines.

Some reported the mag lips needed to be trimmed slightly to allow the
cartridge to feed reliably.

USA: 10, 20, 30rd
-----------------
I have recieved mixed reviews of these magazines.

These are steel bodied magazines. They have solid stamped rear mag
catches. The body is tappered - narow at top and wide at bottom. The
magazine has a step at the front below the mag well. There is no
dimple. Some mags are marked with mfg information, some are not.

These magazines are often reported to have problems although some are
good and most can be made to work (according to some). The mags with
blue followers are reported to be superior to later production with
black
followers.


Your comments/additions are greatly appreciated.

Please note the mini-30 is a different rifle and this information do not
apply to the mini-30.


Hey what can I say I used to belong to a mini 14 forum. You think the fishing forum gets boring with the hook threads try reading about mini 14 mags for a year.

Anyway IMHO get a Browning BLR in .223

Or get the Mini but don't really expect to get mags over 10 rounders unless you want to pay big and know where to find the GOOD ones. laugh
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#75750 - 01/30/03 06:11 PM Re: Varmit hunting
KingFisher85 Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 258
Loc: Amboy Wa
lead thrower
Looking right here in the Cabelas catalog
High capacity magazines
Mini 14
Mini 14, 20 rd......$24.99
Mini 14, 30 rd......$29.99

(Ruger Mini-14, 223) I see after market 20 round metal type mags for sale all the time for 20 to 30 bucks.
I say stay away from the 30+round mags, a lot of them will not feed right. But the 5, 10, 15, and 20 rd mags work just fine.

Now the ruger 10/22 22 lr, for one 25 round buttler creek(spelling) mag, yes, 50 bucks! And thats a good deal to. Most the time there $75 bucks give or take a few bucks.
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#75751 - 01/30/03 06:49 PM Re: Varmit hunting
Dave D Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 10/04/01
Posts: 3563
Loc: Gold Bar
You are absolutely right Cabalas does sell them. I was just trying to say that in my experience those magazines they sell are the cheaper ones and the lips are made from such thin metal that they do not feed. I think Cabalas sells the KKK brand. It has to do with the Brady Bill, once it went into affect the manufacturers just pumped out the product with no quality control because they new people would be swarming the store for the product.

Take USA mags for example, I have 2 thirty rounders that function flawlessly. In order to get those I had to buy 6. Only 2 out of the six worked so I returned the other 4.

On today's market you are looking for brands such as Precision Magazine Industries (PMI): These are the good ones. These will be very very very difficult to find in any gun shop. You can find them on some of the Mini 14 forums. Some guys let them go for what they paid for them, which is around $30 before the Brady Bill. However most sell them for what they can get in today's market, which is around $60-100.

The Mini is a great economical gun until you start to find decent mags in today's market was the point I was trying to make.

You said &#8220;Now the ruger 10/22 22 lr, for one 25 round buttler creek(spelling) mag, yes, 50 bucks! And thats a good deal to. Most the time there $75 bucks give or take a few bucks.&#8221;

Could not agree more. Really gets me how they can get that for a dollars worth of plastic which eventually the feed lips on those also wear out and the mag is junk. I have eight of those butler creek 25 rounders and about half of them jam the last 3-5 rounds or so. Some of them fall out of the gun every once and a while they are getting tired. But then again I have probably pumped 50,000 rounds through my 10/22 at least.

The mini is a great choice and anyone who owns one will love it. I have personally been through mag hell with that gun though.

We should go tear up a gravel pit sometime together.
laugh
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#75752 - 01/30/03 08:17 PM Re: Varmit hunting
KingFisher85 Offline
Returning Adult

Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 258
Loc: Amboy Wa
Ya it sucks about them lips on the 10/22, I've gone thought a few mags in a short amount of time. Out of 4 mags, only one works perfect (butler creek mags), the rest, the first 2 or 3 rounds might jam up but the last 4 or 5 rounds will not feed into the gun at all.
To bad them lips cannot be replaced. To bad we cannot get mags from Canada!

I found a web page and they are selling NIB 25 round butler creek mags for 34 bucks! But look were they are located at. http://www.rugermags.com/

I have not even see the factory Mini-14 mags (20+) for sale in a long time. Sure wish I could fine some.
But like I said before. All the aftermarket mags for the Ruger Mini-14, I have yet to find a good 30+round mag that feeds good all the time.
I picked up some very cheap mags, you could tell they were cheap just by the way they felt. I got 20 and 30 round mags for 15 and 18 dollars each. The 20 rd mags worked just fine but the 30 round mags I ended up trading off.
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#75753 - 01/30/03 11:13 PM Re: Varmit hunting
Asteiger Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 02/13/02
Posts: 233
Loc: Los Angeles
LOL kingfisher, I called the game department about those squirrels and they said as long as it's done humanly it's alright. I will pretty much be hunting dear, coyote, and eventualy elk. One of my friends has a 25/06 with a good leuopold scope and has dropped deer from 400 yards away with it, he'll let it go for 300 bones. I think im going to go with that. And my dad has a friend who gives the hunters safety class for 20 bucks so I will be doing that before the summer gets here to be ready for deer season. Thanks for all the advice!

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#75754 - 01/30/03 11:32 PM Re: Varmit hunting
Dave D Offline
River Nutrients

Registered: 10/04/01
Posts: 3563
Loc: Gold Bar
Kingfisher85

I know it would be illegal to bring those Butler Creek mags back across the border but I wonder if it would be illegal to warranty them across the border. wink

Alas I can quit dreaming, anything that would benefit me is probably illiegal laugh

All that Brady Bill did was cost honest gun owners more money. mad

I think that is only like the third time I have used that mad smiley so you know Clinton pissed me off on that one. laugh
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#75755 - 01/31/03 09:36 AM Re: Varmit hunting
KingFisher85 Offline
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Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 258
Loc: Amboy Wa
What type of a 25-06 is it? That gun would work very good on deer and coyotes.
Tell me the gun make and model and I can tell you if not me other people can tell you if its worth more or less then 300 dollars
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#75756 - 01/31/03 11:49 AM Re: Varmit hunting
Asteiger Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 02/13/02
Posts: 233
Loc: Los Angeles
Its a Ruger, synthetic stock, blued and it's bolt action. Im not sure of the model he was going to bring it in and show me it. He is also going to throw in some ammo. My other friend when I told him about the deal called one of his buddies up at a gun shop in edmonds and he said to go for it.


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#75757 - 01/31/03 12:22 PM Re: Varmit hunting
Zen Leecher aka Bill W Offline
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Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 972
Loc: Moses Lake
If it's a heavy barrel you might not want it for deer hunting. You might want to check on that.
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#75758 - 01/31/03 12:30 PM Re: Varmit hunting
Asteiger Offline
Juvenille at Sea

Registered: 02/13/02
Posts: 233
Loc: Los Angeles
Im pretty sure that it isn't heavy barrel. He said it was a great dear gun but then he got a .300 ultramag.

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#75759 - 01/31/03 07:49 PM Re: Varmit hunting
KingFisher85 Offline
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Registered: 11/15/02
Posts: 258
Loc: Amboy Wa
na, you don't want that gun. You better tell him to sell it to me laugh wink
You better get that gun! Thats a good gun.
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