1 shooting happend up in the U District, 5 people shot at Cafe Racer, then while they are reporting, some dickhead car jacked a woman in downtown Seattle and shot her, and stole her Mercedes...

the COP is saying its a gun problem due to all the shootings so far this year... has nothing to do with gangs, or anything, its just the abundance of guns....

dear COP, its not the abundance of guns killing people, its the abundance of stupid MFrs with guns killing people...

hope they get these guys...

Or you could live near Chicago



Ten die in Memorial Day Shoortings

the lady that was car jacked downtown, is now dead... appearently she was shot twice in the back while laying on the ground...

the 3 other people are in serious critical condition at Harborview, one of them they were really trying to perform CPR on when she showed up, so it doesnt look good...

they are looking for the dude in the U shooting in the neighborhoods near the Cafe... the downtown shooting, he made it all the way to West Seattle and dumped the car and fled...

Maybe they need to rehire Officer Birk, he will take care of the problem, just give all the gang bangers small knives , problem solved.

4 dead now according to Kiro

that is now 20 murders in Seattle alone this year so far....

last year at this time, there was 3.... there was a total of 20 for the entire year...

they were showing footage of the scene where the lady was shot in the head... one of the casings looked like the size of a freakin battery, and first thing comes to my head, no way, only gun that big in an auto platform would be the mighty Desert Eagle....

then they showed the gun on the front seat of the car... and thats exactly what it looks like...

do you know the damage a .50 or even .44 mag out of a DE would do to someones head at close range?

not pretty.....

poor lady..

suspect in the dowtown shooting has been shot and killed...


karmas a bitch...

wow... they really dont know whats going on here, this is insane...

now they are saying that the person shot, was the North End shooter from the Cafe, and that he shot and killed himself...

im beginning to wonder if both shootings are connected... just too much weirdness about this whole situation...

You just sink deeper and deeper...


Newsflash- there is no correlation between inflicted damage and brand of firearm regardless of caliber; THAT is the dumbest thing you have said so far.


Desert Eagle is a super neato "piece." Was it a MAGNUM .44 too?


You are tiresome but please just keep them coming.

wow... thats what you got out of if? all i was saying is that it had to have been an auto platform, as there were chewed up live rounds on the ground which would mean that the gun jammed... and revolvers dont jam...

stop taking what i say out of context, use your nugget, and read correctly....


and just as i suspected, both shootings are connected...

+1, Society consists of Sheep, Wolves, and Shepard's....

Just another day in the Seattlehood.....

Damn guns.

Good thing I don't own or have any!

Were yours all tragically lost in a boating accident also?

i just cant take it anymore, and have to respond to this stupid comment...

yes, there is FULL correlation of inflicted damage on a pistol (brand) such as the Desert Eagle, and say a 3 in Smith and Wesson mountain gun, in the same caliber, as the barrel difference is nearly 50% difference in length... longer barrel, more speed, more foot pounds of energy upon impact, more damage....

you really gonna go there?

cuz i will be a dick and film damage, with 2 different brand pistols, same ammo, and prove you wrong... making ballistic gel isnt that hard, and is quite fun to do...

Please don't........

The bearing of firearms does not equate to proficiency with firearms. If you read the book "On Killing" he goes into detail of human tendancy when shooting and not trained to engage a target/perp/tard/criminal/douche center mass.

Shooting isn't like Corky fishing, you don't always get them in the head..

While some will argue and debate the relative effects of different guns and ammo, it may be important to remember that 5 innocent people are dead. One more is clinging to life. I would like to know how and when this dirtbag bought his guns. He had been arrested several times, never convicted so as far as I can see he had every right to purchase as many guns as he wanted. Everyone can agree how important it is to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons, what do we do with mentally unstable people with no convictions on their records? Or people that have no outward signs of mental illness and no convictions? This is the trick box we have put ourselves in and I will have much more respect for the 2nd Amendment folks if they can address these issues.

Or people that have no outward signs of mental illness and no convictions?


Want to restate that Eddie?

Ed

Lots of bad people have guns. Not sure we can eliminate bad people from getting guns. No more than we have success in taking automobile access away from drunks. I am just guessing here, but I bet the nut case who killed all those people yesterday was never "officially" tagged as incompetent hence didn't qualify for being prohibited from buying guns. Assuming that he did legally purchase the guns he used.

I would also be guessing, but I imagine that all those guns in the hands of the repeat offending gang members we are blessed with are not legally registered to most of them. And I am guessing that many of them have long records going in and out of our revolving door system.

Also I would hate to be a Seattle cop. This city is run by some really poor excuses for leaders. Yesterday's press conference by the mayor and that grand standing other politician spoke volumes about their lack of leadership and pie in the sky bs ideas as to what to do. I would guess the Seattle cops are walking on egg shells these days. Whatever is going on in City Hall it isn't working out well. Maybe they should all go to New York PD and learn how to reduce crime. Cops did a great job yesterday but our so called leaders did not.

What do you mean by legally registered to them?? There is no requirement to register a gun.

i think what he mean was most of them, if not all, are stolen... and i think that handguns need to be registered to be fully legal..

i just read that the guys family, said that "they saw this coming"....


and you didnt do anything, or say anything about it to anyone?

[quote=redhook].......... and i think that handguns need to be registered to be fully legal.....quote]

Please explain where you came up with this.........

its not just everyone carrying 2, because if everyone did, you would have a bunch of stupid people with guns... plus, there will be people that will get far too cocky carrying, and think they are invincible... but i do agree with what you are saying...criminals need to be taught that they cant just harm people, the problem tho, is that its not that easy...

he could have been involuntarily committed if he had history of mental illness and anger issues just like his family stated... they in a way are part responsible for what happened IMO... its like having a viscous dog, and letting it wander the neighborhood...

i said i think Randy...

when you buy a pistol from someone else, i was always taught that you had to register it...

after my dad died, we re registered all of his handguns into our names..

i just figured that was the norm... my bad for thinking..

did it hurt?

Tons of guns are for sale on the street. Lots of people are arrested weekly/monthly for these offenses. Check the fbi seattle's homepage. With the debt the nation vhas there have been massive hiring freezes with the ATF and FBI. Same with snagging, not enough enforcement and crime will grow, but they are locking people up.

Fixed it, there is no requirement, says so right on the DOL website.

If it didn't it certainly should have....

the dad has now said that Ian had a CPL, and that even with years of him becoming more and more volitile, there was nothing they could do about it...

yes there was... you just didnt do anything about it, and are trying to cover your a$$ because of the ration of sh!t that is going to be coming your way by the people of the community, the victims friends and family, and the people that had to deal with what he caused...

How about knives? -- Click_Read

What should they have done about it, redhook?

told the proper people... people get involuntarily commited every day, because they show signs of mental instability... an officer, or certified person usually comes out, talks with the person, and makes a desicion, if you do not obey, they will cuff you and take you anyways...

if they are saying that Ian Stawicki was infact as volitile, and threatening as he was, he would have been taken regardless if he wanted to go or not...

the problem is, they never called... if they had called, we likely wouldnt be talking about this right now...

Concealed Pistol Lisence..

here Abu, you can learn something today...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Involuntary_commitment

because of how you read something on a computer screen, deems you knowledgeable enough to say that they need to be treated?

are you fvckin dumb?

you dont even know me...

tell me, what exactly is your basis for diagnosis? what is the reasoning behind your diagnosis?

or just keep your mouth shut, like you should...

you might want to do a lil research yourself RH--on that lil point "Involuntary commitment is governed by state law and procedures vary from state to state". I have a friend here at work that said his family has tried to get a sister help for years beacuse of her state of mind and to try and get them commited is a Bureaucratic Cluster FCCk in the state of wa...he said it is easier if they commit a crime.

are her actions violent?


major difference when they are...

Stawicki's friends and family said he was violent...

if your just a wack job that talks to light switches, they likely wont listen... and i know this because my neighbor is a wack job that talks to light switches, and her sons are 2 of my good friends, and have tried to do it, but couldnt...

i do however know a person that was commited due to violent actions, and deemed borderline schyzophrenic, and was treated... and now hes dead because he blew his fvcking head off after he stopped taking his medication... he was one of my friends..

Concealed Weapons Permits are so 1980s ....

You have tried to do what? Talk to light switches?


No surprise there

The family didn't say he was violent--- they said he was angry.

From a KOMO news story:

As the years went by, Ian Stawicki was becoming more and more volatile and argumentative - but he never harmed anyone or threatened his family, says his father.

"He wasn't getting more and more violent. He was getting easier to get mad," says his father

redhook is, apparently, also an expert in the mental health and crime prevention fields and has first-hand knowledge of how easy it is to have someone committed involuntarily based on the 20/20 foresight he was lucky enough to be born with.

I'm waiting for a subject to be discussed that he isn't an expert at.

but they said that "they could see this coming"

if you could see him murdering 5 people, i would consider that violent... and why would they have tried to get the CPL he was issued over turned if he was just angry and not violent?

alot of people are pissed off and angry, but arent considered violent... if you can see someone murdering 5 people, that is a red flag and should be dealt with immeadiately...

hell, im angry sometimes, and own guns, but would never consider shooting anyone because i was "mad" at them... i wouldnt even consider punching them because i was mad at them... because im not violent...

ive never said i was an expert at anything Dan, and i dont respond to every single post on here, there is plenty i dont say anything on....


should i change that for you so you can actually be right about what you just said?

You don't need to say it.

If that's confusing to you, I can explain in greater detail............but I probably won't.

JUST RELEASED!!!!

SEATTLE —
KIRO 7 uncovered evidence Thursday that revealed Ian Stawicki, the gunman in the May 30 Seattle shootings, was no stranger to violence, guns or the law.

When Seattle police arrested him in 2008, officers filled out a form for the court objecting to his release. According to those documents, officers said releasing him would threaten public safety.

Instead of keeping him locked up, the Seattle City Attorney dismissed all the charges, and it wasn’t the first time.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/crime-law/seattle-shooter-had-permits-6-handguns/nPJSd/

do i get an appology?


of course not, that would be stupid of me to think that...

here, heres all of it, incase some are just rolling their eyes and not opening the link...


SEATTLE —
KIRO 7 uncovered evidence Thursday that revealed Ian Stawicki, the gunman in the May 30 Seattle shootings, was no stranger to violence, guns or the law.

When Seattle police arrested him in 2008, officers filled out a form for the court objecting to his release. According to those documents, officers said releasing him would threaten public safety.

Instead of keeping him locked up, the Seattle City Attorney dismissed all the charges, and it wasn’t the first time.

In February 2008, Stawicki’s girlfriend at the time was granted a no-contact order against him after “he broke the rear window of the victim’s vehicle, prevented the victim from calling 911 and assaulted her, giving her a bloody nose in the process,” according to court documents. “Stawicki (then) armed himself with a (.45 caliber) handgun and led police on a K9 track through Discovery Park.”

Stawicki was charged with assault, interfering with reporting domestic violence and coercion.

Despite police concerns about his weapon use and a witness that told officers “over the past month, the suspect has grown violent,” according to court documents, all charges were dismissed. The City Attorney said Thursday that was because his girlfriend stopped cooperating in the case.

“He definitely had that propensity for anger and was often tied up in knots with his nervous energy,” said Sandra Roulette, Stawicki’s ex-girlfriend’s mother.

Roulette told KIRO 7 her daughter left town after seeing what her former live-in boyfriend did on Wednesday.

“What Ian did is unthinkable and horrific, but the Ian that I saw on occasion was also – had this other dimension to him,” Roulette said. “He was a kind and thoughtful person. I didn’t see this potential for violence, although I certainly knew that he was angry and had a particular world view that not many people could agree with.”

She said her daughter lived with Stawicki for years, but the day he punched her in the face with a phone book in 2008 was the last day they were together.

“I was so angry with him and supported her for not wanting to be around him,” Roulette said. “I helped her move away. I’m very thankful he didn’t hurt her. I am so grateful he did not hurt her yesterday.”

KIRO Team 7 Investigators learned Stawicki’s run-ins with police started well before the domestic assault on Roulette’s daughter.

In 1989, he was arrested in Seattle for carrying a “slide-out locking blade,” according to court documents. Charges of carrying a concealed weapon were dropped.

In Kittitas County in 2010, Stawicki was charged with assaulting his brother. Charges were dropped then, too.

Despite those arrests for violence and weapons issues, without any convictions, Stawicki was allowed to keep his concealed weapons permit. Records show that at the time he opened fire inside the Racer Café on Wednesday, he legally held permits for three .45 caliber handguns and three more 9 millimeter handguns.

Roulette said he was always armed.

“He saw the world as a potentially dangerous place -- an unfriendly place where bad things happened -- and he felt like he needed to be protected, so he was armed and ready to take care of things himself, protect himself if need be,” she said.

Another common theme that ran through all the police reports: Stawicki constantly listed himself as homeless or unemployed.

So it wasn't his family's fault........It is the Seattle City Attorney that should be held responsible for this.

That's not going to fit with the Mayors push against gun violence.

Again it just goes to show, we don't need more laws. We just need to enforce the ones we already have.

Get over yourself, man. If you had been here two weeks ago saying this guy should be locked up, then you would really be something. Saying he should have been locked up AFTER the fact really doesn't get us anywhere, does it?

Nobody owes YOU an apology............but the Seattle City Attorney might owe the families of the victims an apology.

Right on Dan S.

I love listening to the politicians/city officials automatically touting the evils of guns when it turns out that they had the opportunity to intervene to prevent this years ago.

Even going as far as ignoring the police departments written recommendations.

owing me an apology is due to the fact you told me i was full of [Bleeeeep!] saying he was violent...

then, i show you otherwise...

and you still dont, like i said, it would have been stupid of me to think that, so i didnt.. and dont...

JG i fully agree about the laws, but without funding, they cannot be enforced more, with the same amount of people they have now... its not possible, they need more cops to stop it... and they cant pay for it...

EVERYONE that knew of his nature is at fault, a quick call to the local police department saying you are worried about someone, and are worried about public safety with said person, 99% of the time an officer would contact said person to see what was up... and yes, i know from personal expierience... the SCA is not responsible for monitoring someone, and looking at their patterns and behavior, in this situation, his friends and family took that role... and they failed...

The Seattle City Attorney is responsible for enforcing the laws currently on the books.

When he chose to release this person, with no charges filed, he becomes responsible.

If charges were filed, they would have had the ability to, at least, remove the weapons that this person possessed at the time.

I will give you the same advice that I and others have given you too many times to count........However I doubt that you will listen:

Here it goes.......

Redhook..........your problem stems from the fact that you speak from a stand point of absolute knowledge and then back track later.

This is the same problem that has plagued you on every forum you have ever been on.

Maybe sit back and self reflect a little prior to responding to this post.

Just an idea.

The correct term now is CPL.
and I'm with 2Many......everyone who passes background check should be issued a carry license......FREE! The idea is to curb crime, not pay for Suzzie Q's 8th kid (or some other "worthy" fkn cause).

im not back tracking Randy, i said he was violent an hour before that report even came out...

also, i dont say everything i type as fact, its read and taken that way... things im not sure about i say "i think", and still get hammered as im saying it as fact...

like i have told you a hundred times, and you have even said yourself to people, you cant tell peoples tones, body expressions, facial expressions, joking/seriousness on the internet...

maybe people should take the time to read what i say, and think about it, before jumping all over me like im some inbred dickweed...

im not doing anything wrong by talking... i dont follow people around here, or anywhere for that matter, only using their responses to slam them...

all im saying is that maybe im not the person people think i am, because IN PERSON, everyone ive met likes me... and if they dont, its because of something the read off the internet that they didnt interpret correctly, or something they heard from someone else that doesnt even know me...

I was speaking in general.

Not necessarily just about this thread.

And you still don't get it.

I am done even trying to give you any advice.

Carry on........because I know you will.

RedHook.......how many folks need to tell you to just silence yourself? Listen up......you are talking (typing) WAY too much. get it? STOP! Try waiting until there are at least three or four posts since your last response. You are like a hyperactive ADD kid......no offense intended, but try to recall how many people have tried to tell you the same thing.

once again........STOP!

Redhook,

You said ". . . maybe people should take the time to read what i say, and think about it, before jumping all over me like im some inbred dickweed..."

What you don't seem to understand (which suggests you have difficulty with comprehension) is that people here actually do take the time to read what you say, and then we think about it, before we jump all over you like you're some inbred dickweed... because that is what you read like you are. If in fact you aren't like that, every reader here is misunderstanding what and how you write, which isn't very likely. Therefore, what is most likely is that is how you appear on the internet. But like BD said, we don't expect you to get it, because you continuously demonstrate that you don't get it. Since you don't get it, that is extremely strong evidence that you're not as bright as you think you are, and that you are as dim as forum members here have concluded you are.

Sg

No, they don't take the time to read what I say before responding. They respond on assumption, and previous opinion. I don't get what people are saying, it's not making sense. I am taking it as people saying I can't speak about a subject, because no one cares what I have to say about it. If that is the case, then that is something I have to think about obviously. You basically calling me an inbred dickweed, which i read from your statement, I really don't appreciate that you talk about my family that way. It's not nice, and you shouldn't talk about people's dead family members in that way. Hurting people intentionally, and insulting them for the pleasure of getting them mad, is retarded.


but your gonna just read what i just typed as some bullsh!t i dont know what im talking about...

Redhook,

Finally, you're absolutely right. I shouldn't have written anything that might be derogatory about your family, whom I know nothing about. I should have limited my remark to you personally. You write like someone who has serious learning disabilities and therefore is not very bright. It's not possible to know at this point whether your parents bear any responsibility for this. I'm sorry I didn't get it right the first time. But no, I make no assumptions about you. My comments about and to you are based entirely on the way you present yourself in this forum. Present yourself as an intelligent person and I will respond as if you are. Meanwhile . . .

Sg

No problem Salmo. If you insist that I take the time to make sure that I perfectly punctuate and be grammatically correct to help you read better, I guess I will do you a favor, and help you out. The problem is, I was right about something, and I still, still, get told I am full of sh!t. How does that work? Seriously, I am really intreagued by the thought process of that, and would like to learn it. Do I really need to talk with full on intelect, and correct everything, so that people will actually take what I say as fact, instead of reading it otherwise, then have another reason to call me a "know it all" ?

Point blank Salmo, you don't know me, you just read some BS off the Internet. I wouldn't use that as a basis for forming an opinion about someone, people might not like it.

You're right.

This is all on Salmo g.

Redhook,

Please take note that the ". . . some BS off the Internet . . ." that I read is written by you. You don't have to have perfect punctuation and grammar for me to read better. I do a pretty fair job of reading poorly written material. That isn't the point. The point that continues to elude you is that you write like a blathering idiot. That is why people here get on your case. If you wrote like someone who appears to actually know what they are talking about, I would react quite differently to your posts. I have to guess that you can't tell the difference between stupid writing and intelligent writing, and therefore can't notice and understand that your writing examples here fall into the former category and not the latter.

At first you were slightly entertaining because dumb comedy can be funny. But as time has passed I feel bad for you in that you are clueless about how unintelligent your posts are, and so you use "projection," (a psychological term) and write that we wrongly interpret your posts or don't understand what you're saying. The situation is that most of us do interpret your posts at face value and do understand what you are saying, whether what you write is what you mean or not. And that is what makes your case sad because you seem to be incapable of understanding that you come off like a dumb fvck here. People wouldn't react to you the way they do if you didn't.

Sg

you just proved my point again...


thanks...

im done with arguing with you about nonsense...

Do unto others, as you would have them do to you.

and i aint even religious to know where that statement came from...

I think RH must have downloaded Chrome or Firefox on his new computer. His spelling has improved. His reasoning is still stuck on disabled.

Chinese proverb: When you're in a hole, quit digging.

Holy f.uck.

God damn elitist fairy wand bug flinging ascot wearing bastages!

(Im giving my comma key a break today)



+1

I thought it was more like: quit while you are behind.
This thread has mega stars potential!

Its all up hill from here. Because you want to be at the top of the hill

If you were my neighbor, I would start talking to light switches as well.

Huh?

Exhausting........

I will keep this for future use!

Bringing to the top in hopes of some crash and burn amusement!

Enjoy everyone!

Jesus Redhook. Do you Pm everyone that disagrees with you demanding an apology and sending crappy site links to try to prove your point?

still think your dumba$$ dog would get his [Bleeeeep!] kicked by a 30lb. oppossum......

Quote it, or STFU.

you guys bored or something?

quote what Dan?

that quoted enough for you?

I wanna know why the police couldn't get the book thrown at him.
Libaral arts degree judge maybe. Judge shooting for a spot on the
9 court of appeals? Guy had Todd for a court appointed defense
attorney?