so having someones used cloth bag is better? Disease-ridden bags being stuffed on the same counter that I get to put my bag on for filling seems like a not-so-healthy alternative. So where is the Health Department's input on all this?
I just love the idea of some stinkin bum using his reusable bag that his dog slept on and licked himself on using the same handler as my groceries.
Now that's organic! ACK!

Now Now, Big Brother knows what's best for you.

What!!!

Wasnt it just a few years ago this was a WAY better solution then paper bags!?!?

I'm all for plastic bags, six pack rings and even those styrofoam sand shrimp containers as along as we get to shoot and kill polluters.

I would be all in for chain gang litter patrols.
Bring back public humiliation.

Pretty soon, they'll take away our toilet paper and give us reusable toilet paper.

Cloth or paper aren't as efficient for suffocation though.

I'm unsanitary as h3ll apparently. I got this re-usable and recyclable Whole Foods bag at the finish line of the STP 7 or 8 years ago. I think it was made out of recycled plastic soda bottles. I'm still using it. I haven't ever washed it, other than with a sponge where it's gotten wet a couple times. But all the meat is put in a plastic bag before it goes in this bag, so I've never had a problem.

We should not regulate the use of plastic bags because, the free market will:
1. use petroleum products for the highest and best use;
2. not contribute to the massive garbage island in the Pacific that is made mostly of plastic;
3. not contribute to highway and general urban litter;
4. allow nations of dipsh!ts make decisions based on cost rather than the sustainability of life on planet Earth.

Sg

this is rather odd....


but i agree with Marsha 100%, and she is DEAD on...

washing your food you pull out of the cloth bags has nothing to do with health issues per say, you should always wash your food... you MUST wash the bags however... if you dont, and hamburger or chicken juice gets in there, and festers around, you go to the store, place your nasty [Bleeeeep!] bag on the belt, or counter, contaminating it....

then, you place your groceries in the bag, contaminating your hands

then you contaminate the handle on the cart

then the steering wheel and shifter in your car

then the door knob on your house

then your counter

and, then, your fridge

things you dont wash that could be contaminated, milk jugs, juice jugs, beer, pop, mayo, mustard, bread bags, ect...

if you decide to wash your hands AFTER doing your shopping, and dont wash the bag, you still contaminated everthing you touched previous...

was the damn bags, public health also depends on it...

+ 1 on the pigs comment. The amount of litter in this state is ridiculous.
During last years humpy madness, our beaches and rivers looked like landfills. It gets worse every year.

This has nothing to do with a local bag ban, but I've seen their effect on the landscape in other parts of the world, especially the caribbean. Nothing like fishing crystal clear water on white sand flats and having the mangroves and trees littered with plastic bags. Your guide says.....Bone at 11 o'clock mon, aim at the green plastic bag.

think about it Hank.. people grab crap and put it back in the store for someone else to grab all the time... some of those people also pick their butt before doing so... so now you have chicken juice and butt funk on the bag of Tortilla Shells because the person before you grabbed the wrong size and put it back...

washing the bags is just one step to help keep people safe...i dont know about you, but i would prefer to NOT get E coli, or MRSA while shopping...

I think that's a solid zing, can we get a ruling from the zing master??

i dont ever take pills Hank, not even Tylenol... i almost died from Amoxicillin and it freaked me the fvck out... and im perfectly content not taking any either...

Disposable grocery bags, be they plastic or paper, are a gross waste...there is absolutely no need whatsoever for either of them.

Fish on...

Todd

We've been using cloth bags a bank in town was giving away.

When they're dirty, we wash them.

It's incredibly complicated.

is your underwear dirty after the first use? do you just fold them up and put them back for the next day? same premise...

Patrick Henry would get a giggle from that paraphrase.
If so many people were not slobs, plastic or paper would not be a
problem.

What liner do you no-plastic-bags folks use for your kitchen and bathroom garbage cans?
Do you think diapers should be plastic free?

small cans, like 1 and 1.5 and even 2 gallon cans, we use.......






wait for it......





plastic grocery bags, that we save...


Slab, cloth diapers are plastic free, but people are too fvckin lazy to wash them...

is it really the plastic bags?

or the sh!t that goes in them... bread bags, chips, pops, water, cheese wrappers, lunch meat rappers, plastic vegetable bags and containers, strawberry and other fruit plastic containers, milk jugs, juice jugs, twinkie wrappers, cottage cheese containers, sour cream containers, yogurt containers...

should i keep going?

Plastic garbage bags, the kind that you can buy right there in the grocery store.



They are, unless you're lazy. Disposable diapers take up more space in landfills than everything else combined, which is reason enough to not use them right there.

Fish on...

Todd

LOL! when i wrote "twinkie wrappers" i was seriously thinking, "i better spell this sh!t right and not forget the W, as i will get slaughtered if i dont"

and sure as sh!t, i did it before hand LMAO...


good one Hank, ya got me...


oh and that song sucks a$$, bet he didnt sell many records LOL...

So if I buy plastic bags from the store, that is better than reusing the free ones as trash can liners? (Not arguing here, just pointing out the ridiculous.)

As far as cloth diapers go.....I haven't seen any of those in a long, long time. Who here knows of someone who uses them in place of plastic ones?

Aboob, your Depends comment was pretty funny. Not yet for me, could be soon, though. I'll let you know.

I only have one re-usable grocery bag (and three re-usable 6-pack wine bags), so when I buy more than usual groceries I get them in the usual plastic grocery bags. Works perfect because those are what we line our household trash baskets with. We end up with 2 or 3 bags of non-recyclable garbage in the trash can weekly. We could probably do better, but there's a fair amount of non-recyclable food packaging and non-recyclable crap in the junk mail.

Some good chuckles in this thread.

Sg

Target, Wal Mart (fvck them) Fred Meyer, and other such stores carry cloth diapers...

Only used disposable diapers for my kids a few times while traveling. Cloth diapers the vast majority of the time. Considering how much work babies and small children are, diapers aren't that much additional hassle. The Maytag washing machine gave up the ghost at 19 years, however. Could have been due to those diaper years.

used to buy reloading powder from Walmart. Price was unbeatable.
then they decided to shut down that dept. Sad. Haven't been there
much in the last year or two.
Good ole American business ethic. Find a need and fill it.

theres also swivel packages, spoon packages, plug packages, weight packages, jig packages, bait packages, pink worm packages, hook packages...


should i continue?

all of which goes into ONE plastic bag, or a couple in larger amounts


banning plastic bags isnt going to do sh!t for the environment, when you put 5 times the amount of plastic into your cloth bags some people swear by... then buy plastic garbage bags and spend money on the problem said in the process...

Cloth diapers are no panacea.

Cleaning them uses vast quantities of our most valuable resource. And most valuable by a huge f'n margin.

20 or 30 years from now people won't even think about using cloth diapers.

That's my prediction. Buy water rights now.

What a bunch of ecoweenies.

I think the plastic bag bans are stupid. Read that Braindead Island passed one of these laws. Maybe I'm a little libertarian in that there are too many laws. They already have litering laws. Plastic bags are used for waste of all kinds. I reuse most of my plastic bags for bathroom trash can liners if I don't have any of the small size plastic bags. I'm going to throw away some old fish and carcusses in the garbage tonight so the blood doesn't leak and stink up my bargage container. I use plastic bags to clean up dog poop in the yard and put in the garbage as it's better than shoveling it in the compost as fecal matter can be washed in the bay. Also you can throw extra plastic bags in the recycle bin or recycle at stores. Yeah we've used the cloth bags but never seem to have them when going to the grocery. A lot of times I just grab a few goods and decline a bag like tonight.

In the meantime kids remeber to practice safe sex, go use a condom or diaphram or reuse your plastic bag as WHO says gonerrhea is making a come-back!

From AM's Bleeding Heart post.........

FK me
So much sensationalized BS in that paragraph alone it makes me want to puke.
the animals may
the plastic bags may
the smaller creatures may

The girl who wrote that crap should be "bagged"........er, double bagged.

Gawd

"We shared a daycare student with a neighbor."

I want to hear more about this.

Going fishing, I think I might toss a few plastic sacks in the river for spite.

I'd believe the second part before the first.

I thought the main reason for the bag ban is because they fly through the air and then get tangled in something?

I honestly don't give a [Bleeeeep!]. I'll adapt because I'm not ancient goat.

Given the choice, I'd ban water bottles before bags. Been to a beach lately?

That might be funny, if I thought you were kidding...but you're probably serious.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Throw a few six pack holders and cigarette butts in the river while you're there, too, and take a good ol' 'Merican $hit right on the bank while you're at it.

I'm in before this thread is bagged.

Ban humans the world would be a better place...

Anti-environment types who fish, great, as if there ain't enough moreons already.

Salmo-

Just admit it you were one of the supporters of the plastic bag to decrease timber removal and save the earth...Now what?

Some of these people think there so fuking smart when it comes to saving the earth if thats the case why wasnt the plastic bag eco destroyer thought about before implemented.
We all know plastic does not deteriorate. Paper is a renewable resource that can be recycled several times over while other trees are growing. There are ways of harvesting timber without huge enviro impacts.

I took it as an artistic version of the word to emphasize the context of use.

STFU aphid

Oooohhh...BURN!

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Just kidding.

Hank & JTD,

Yes, you're both right. Of course Hank had to look it up, but that's OK. It's always a good thing to expand one's vocabulary.

Timber,

Admit what? Before I got my long-lasting Whole Foods recyclable recycled grocery bag I used to get my groceries double bagged in paper. On average I re-used a doubled paper grocery bag for six months. I'm a long-time supporter of sustainable forestry and harvest methods and places that have minimal adverse environmental impact. Why I just fell 2 trees in my yard weekend before last. (Love my new little Stihl but hate that I bought it cuz my old one was stolen.) You might be surprised to learn that my dad and uncle worked their entire careers for the big W. Now go open another beer you drunken sloth!

Salar,

That's some good humor there.

Sg

Salmo,

I hope you had an arborist out before you cut the trees!! You fukin old flea flickin fly flogger!

Timber,

I had a maple and alder that were of the "school marm" persuasion. An arborist once told me that with all such trees, one or both inevitably fail and fall. If I picked the wrong side, I'll just whack the remaining one some day. But I'm gonna' see how they do for a while first. I have some more tree work that I may need an arborist's help with. Or maybe just a gutsy faller. Got spurs and a climbing belt?

Nice try at the onomatopoeia!

Sg

I most certainly do have spurs and climbing belts but sorry I am to busy opening beers to help!

Ahhhhhh, only two more months til' the Skokomish opener.

plastic bags, bad. 6 pak holder, worse. Too many s lobs.

Maybe we are all making a lot of noise about nothing. Could it be that the ban on "plastic bags" is really a ban on Palosi, Joan Rivers, Cindy Jackson (record holder), and other Dandy Dinosaurs.

just a thought