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#772664 - 07/15/12 03:56 PM What Documents?
Illyrian Offline
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Fast and Furious is not a D.C. law firm

Most Americans don’t care about whether Attorney General Eric Holder is hiding Fast and Furious documents because they don’t understand the story.

Until someone can tell us otherwise, there is only one explanation for why President Obama’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives gave thousands of guns to Mexican drug dealers: It put guns in their hands to strengthen liberals’ argument for gun control.

Precisely because this is such a jaw-dropping accusation — criminality at the highest level of government to score a political point — Republicans refuse to make it.

But the problem with Republican rectitude in discussing this scandal is that as soon as they start talking about subpoenas and dates and documents, TV channels change across America. They’re never going to get answers unless they first explain to the American people why it matters.

Liberals have been dying to reinstate the so-called “assault weapons” ban, but they haven’t been able to for political reasons. (For more information on this, see the 1994 congressional elections.)

A typically idiotic Democratic scheme, the “assault weapons” ban prohibited the sale of semiautomatics that are operationally indistinguishable from deer rifles, but which looked scary to liberal women.

First, the Democrats tried lying about how American guns were being found in the hands of Mexican drug dealers — while demanding a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

Obama had barely unpacked at the White House, when he and high-level administration officials and Senate Democrats — Holder, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Sen. Chuck Schumer — started railing about how our lax gun control laws were putting guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

In 2010, even Mexico’s President Felipe Calderon demanded that the U.S. reinstate the assault weapons ban — on the grounds that Mexican drug violence was directly linked to the law’s repeal.

The claim was preposterous for many reasons, including the fact that the type and quantity of armaments being used by Mexican drug cartels can be obtained only from places such as North Korea, China, Russia, Venezuela and Guatemala.

The notion that most guns used by Mexican drug gangs came from the U.S. was a lie — exposed on about 1 million gun blogs and on Fox News.

So, then the Obama administration did exactly what Democrats had been falsely accusing American gun sellers of doing: They put American guns in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

The only explanation for Fast and Furious is that it was a program to prop up a losing gun control argument. The Waco and Ruby Ridge raids were monstrous, but they at least made sense as simple screw-ups: (1) ATF’s budget was about to be cut and it needed some showy raids; and (2) law enforcement officials detest private gun ownership on principle.

There is no conceivable law enforcement objective to giving Mexican drug dealers thousands of untrackable guns. It’s not even fun for the agents, like an armed raid on a private home. If there’s some other explanation, Holder isn’t telling.

Republicans refuse to state this clearly because they can’t prove it. Instead, they just keep chattering about the documents that haven’t been turned over and subpoenas that haven’t been answered.

Did Democrats wait for a smoking gun to accuse Karl Rove of treason for revealing Valerie Plame’s identity as a CIA agent? It turned out Rove didn’t reveal it, and it wouldn’t have been a crime if he had.

Did they wait for proof to accuse Sen. John McCain of committing adultery? They had none, and yet that story ran on the front page of The New York Times.

Did they have any evidence before accusing the entire Republican House leadership of complicity in Mark Foley’s creepy emails to young male interns? See if you can guess. Take all the time you need. Feel free to call one of your “lifelines” if necessary.

Liberals just make wild-eyed accusations and demand Republicans prove themselves innocent. (Say, whatever happened to Karl Rove’s trial for treason for outing Valerie Plame? Can somebody call Lawrence O’Donnell and check on that?)

If conservatives were our only source of information about 9/11, no one would care about that, either. Somehow they’d make it about Osama bin Laden not answering a subpoena.

This isn’t just another government program gone bad — a $300 ashtray, stimulus money fraud, Solyndra or Van Jones.

It isn’t just a story about some government official refusing to testify.

It isn’t even a story about an American dying as a result of a government program, as outrageous as that is. Yes, Brian Terry died at the hands of a Mexican using a Holder-provided American gun. Pat Tillman died. Ron Brown died. People sometimes die as a result of government screw-ups. Fast and Furious is worse.

Innocent people dying was the objective of Fast and Furious, not collateral damage.

It would be as if the Bush administration had implemented a covert operation to dump a dangerous abortifacient in Planned Parenthood clinics, resulting in hundreds of women dying — just to give pro-lifers an argument about how dangerous abortion clinics are.

That’s what Fast and Furious is about.
AC

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#772666 - 07/15/12 04:37 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: Illyrian]
Bigskyx Offline
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" because they(you) don’t understand the story."

http://features.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2012/06/27/fast-and-furious-truth/
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#772682 - 07/15/12 09:01 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: ]
Salmo g. Offline
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Wasting a thread with Ann Coulter drivel? WTF?

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#772696 - 07/15/12 10:51 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: Salmo g.]
larryb Offline
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Loc: elma washington
what is it they say? people that watch fox are the least informed
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#772708 - 07/16/12 12:42 AM Re: What Documents? [Re: larryb]
Dan S. Offline
It all boils down to this - I'm right, everyone else is wrong, and anyone who disputes this is clearly a dumbfuck.

Registered: 03/07/99
Posts: 16958
Loc: SE Olympia, WA
They also say you're a f'n goat if you post an Ann Coulter Op/Ed piece.

Illy posted this one, so it looks like they're right.
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#772709 - 07/16/12 01:01 AM Re: What Documents? [Re: Dan S.]
redhook
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you guys need to lighten up, seriously...

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#772712 - 07/16/12 01:25 AM Re: What Documents? [Re: ]
Rivrguy Offline
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Registered: 03/03/09
Posts: 4536
Loc: Somewhere on the planet,I hope
and loose the reputation as the home of the rude, crude, and lewd? eek2
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#772714 - 07/16/12 01:33 AM Re: What Documents? [Re: Rivrguy]
Dogfish Offline
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Loc: McCleary, WA
Who is Ann Coulter?
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#772720 - 07/16/12 03:00 AM Re: What Documents? [Re: ]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I like that it somehow ended up as written by "AC" so that, somehow, we wouldn't know it was that fruitcake Ann Coulter who wrote it.

Fruitcakes posting articles by fruitcakes.

Fish on...

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#772725 - 07/16/12 10:17 AM Re: What Documents? [Re: Todd]
Illyrian Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
Wow! Fish on indeed. rofl
Dan Azz, Salmo g, Odd and a coupla shakers.
Damn a whole school of em.

I like it that the message hits home and the AC haters that had
a hard time figuring out who AC might be are still Dunces.

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#772774 - 07/16/12 02:16 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: Illyrian]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
The only message that hits home is that there are still fools who read her garbage and agree with it.

Congratulations.

Fish on...

Todd
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#772784 - 07/16/12 03:13 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: ]
grizz1 Offline
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Registered: 01/17/07
Posts: 463

Michelle might be easier for the ideologues on the left here to swallow..
I got this in an email...can't wait to mail in my $3



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That won't stop me from teasing him about all those new gray hairs he has -- though I think it's fair to say he's earned every one.

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#772785 - 07/16/12 03:14 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: ]
Illyrian Offline
Repeat Spawner

Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
rofl Ya gotta admit AC does get a response worth a giggle from
the self-styled elites hereabouts.

Think I will go find out what Ollie is up to lately. He often strokes
the psuedo-brains too.

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#772791 - 07/16/12 03:44 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: Illyrian]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I'm not sure why the right wing fruit loops think they are yanking our chains, or making us upset, or whatever, when they copy/paste drivel from tools like Coulter, Krauthammer, North, and the like...at best we ignore them, and at worse we wonder if the dipshits c/p'g that stuff are as dumb as they hold themselves out to be.

Most the time I believe that they aren't actually that dumb...but when the keep doing it, and think they are "getting a rise" or something (I get "a rise" just fine on my own, no pharmaceuticals or right wing dipshits required, thank you very much), it makes me wonder if they just might believe the claptrap they post here.

And that makes me sad that they are likely untreated mental defectives. Too bad they don't like universal health care, they could use some.

Picture a dude with an IQ of 64 running into your yard in his underwear, with a kotex taped to his forehead and a ZipLoc baggie full of dogshit...he eats the dogshit, then runs out of your yard giggling maniacally, loving that you stood there and looked at him like a mentally deficient dumbass eating dogshit in your yard...and all the while thinking that he somehow got something over on you.

That's what it's like hearing the right wing dingleberries describe their experiences when c/p'g other right wing dingleberries...they look retarded, are fullofshit, and giggle at how they "got you"...

Sad.

Fish on...

Todd
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#772793 - 07/16/12 03:49 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: Todd]
Dogfish Offline
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Registered: 05/03/01
Posts: 10878
Loc: McCleary, WA
You paint quite the picture, Todd.
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#772796 - 07/16/12 04:05 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: ]
IdahoSH Offline
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Registered: 08/22/11
Posts: 217
Loc: On the Rogue
I think Ann's adam's apple has FishPrince turned on.
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#772799 - 07/16/12 04:31 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: IdahoSH]
AP a.k.a. Kaiser D Offline
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Registered: 01/31/02
Posts: 4450
Loc: B'ham
Originally Posted By: Todd

Picture a dude with an IQ of 64 running into your yard in his underwear, with a kotex taped to his forehead and a ZipLoc baggie full of dogshit...he eats the dogshit, then runs out of your yard giggling maniacally, loving that you stood there and looked at him like a mentally deficient dumbass eating dogshit in your yard...and all the while thinking that he somehow got something over on you.


Todd hit that one on the head. I've had the same thought for years now.

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#772851 - 07/16/12 10:14 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: Todd]
Illyrian Offline
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Registered: 12/20/09
Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
Thanks Odd, you made my point. pluck on.

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#772866 - 07/16/12 11:48 PM Re: What Documents? [Re: ]
Bigskyx Offline
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Registered: 01/29/12
Posts: 42
Originally Posted By: FishPrince
Originally Posted By: IdahoSH
I think Ann's adam's apple has FishPrince turned on.


No, I'm just highly skeptical when I see a chick with an Adam's apple. I'm not a fan of chicks who turn out to be dudes, due to some unpleasant last minute discoveries in the past.


You've been to Bangkok?
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#772890 - 07/17/12 01:42 AM Re: What Documents? [Re: Illyrian]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: Illyrian
Thanks Odd, you made my point. pluck on.


No problem, Illy...you make my point every time you copy/paste right wing horseshit.

Fish on...

Todd
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