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#778340 - 08/12/12 11:01 PM Republicans suck...
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In the Seattle Times today: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018906936_dams13m.html

WASHINGTON — Hydropower dams would get a boost, while their skeptics would get punished, under a controversial bill backed by Western conservatives in Congress.

In a bit of [Bleeeeep!] for tat, the legislation introduced this month would strip federal funding from environmental groups that have challenged hydropower facilities in court over the past decade.

The bill further would block federal money from being used to study or undertake dam removals, save for the rare occasion when Congress has authorized the action.

"This bill would help eliminate government roadblocks and frivolous litigation that stifle development," Rep. Doc Hastings, R-Pasco, said in a statement when he introduced it.

The chairman of the House of Representatives Natural Resources Committee, Hastings has convened a panel hearing for Wednesday in Pasco that will be stacked with hydropower supporters, providing a hint of legislative momentum.

But with little time left in a Congress mostly focused on campaign season, and with the 17-page Hastings bill poisonous to prominent environmental groups, the legislation appears fated for now to serve primarily as debate provocation.

"This is incredibly extreme," said Jim Bradley, the senior director of government relations for American Rivers. "I haven't seen anything quite like this. It's a little bit shocking for a member of Congress to create this kind of blacklist."

American Rivers, the National Wildlife Federation and Trout Unlimited are among the organizations that could be cut off from federal grant funding under the bill; each has been party to a suit potentially challenging hydropower generation, and each has received federal money.

"We're very concerned about it," said Steve Moyer, Trout Unlimited's vice president for government affairs.

It's all a reminder that hydropower can generate political heat as well as occasional cooperation.

In June, for instance, a sharply divided House passed a bill by Rep. Jeff Denham, R-Calif., that would permit California's Merced Irrigation District to raise the spillways on the district's New Exchequer Dam. That would increase power production and water storage, but it also would temporarily inundate part of a protected Wild and Scenic River.

The Obama administration opposes the Denham bill, which faces an uncertain future in the Senate.

Hydropower rhetoric, too, can get heavy. At a hydropower hearing last year, Rep. Tom McClintock, R-Calif., the chairman of the House Water and Power Subcommittee, denounced American Rivers, which advocates for protecting river habitat nationwide, as an "extremist organization."

Last year, on a closely divided vote, McClintock won House approval for an amendment blocking the removal of what he called "four perfectly good hydroelectric dams" in the Klamath River Basin of Oregon and Northern California. Congress later dropped the amendment; but, as with the new Hastings bill, a point had been made about an important part of the nation's energy mix.

In a more collaborative vein, Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers, R-Spokane, won unanimous House support in July for a bipartisan bill that streamlines licensing for small hydropower projects.

The legislation would exempt from federal licensing requirements the nation's 1,100-plus hydro projects that aren't operated by the federal government and that generate less than 10 megawatts of electricity; the current exemption is limited to projects that generate less than 5 megawatts.

"Notwithstanding all of (the) benefits, the regulatory-approval process for hydropower development, especially for smaller projects, can be unnecessarily slow, costly and cumbersome," Rodgers said during House debate.

Her bill awaits Senate action.

Hydropower accounts for about 8 percent of all electrical production nationwide. California has more hydropower facilities than any other state, while Washington leads in overall power production.

Lawsuits periodically have challenged these dam operations, directly or indirectly, and supporters of Hastings' bill say the litigation slows energy development and increases consumer costs.

Groups filing lawsuits that "if successful would result in" a reduction in hydropower generation would be covered by the federal grant cutoff, under the new bill. Attorneys for such groups likewise would be cut off. Spencer Pederson, a spokesman for the House Natural Resources Committee, said the panel didn't have a list of which organizations might be affected.

"It is a policy statement about the importance of hydropower and how taxpayer dollars shouldn't be used to destroy that resource," Pederson said of the bill.

Court and federal grant records show that American Rivers would be affected because the group has litigated and it's received federal funding, including a $1 million National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration grant last year.

The 110,000-member Trout Unlimited likewise has sued and has received federal grants, including a $350,000 habitat-conservation grant last year, federal records show, while the significantly larger National Wildlife Federation has sued and received a variety of habitat-conservation grants last year.
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#778345 - 08/12/12 11:32 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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Whenever you hear a right winger say "frivilous lawsuit", it's just shorthand for "We don't think our corporate owners should have to obey the law, or be held accountable for it if they break it."

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. The unfortunate truth for you Californians, Hank, is that no matter what party the Governator is from there will be water leaving the Sacramento River to go somewhere where there are more voters...unless, of course, those environmental groups who the jackasses are trying to de-fund for opposing their pet fish killing dams don't get de-funded and can use little things like the ESA and CWA to stop them wink
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#778347 - 08/12/12 11:38 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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Those damned activitst judges...whothefuck do they think they are?

They should be the ones who get de-funded.

Fish on...

Todd
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#778349 - 08/12/12 11:51 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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He clearly didn't read the "how to not be an activitst judge" handbook provided by the RNC at his confirmation hearings.

What a trickster.

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Todd
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#778364 - 08/13/12 12:38 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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I'm sure they just blamed it on Obama.

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Todd
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#778377 - 08/13/12 01:11 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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Yeah, but they voted for Bush, so it couldn't have been Bush's fault.

Maybe they blamed it on Hillary.

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Todd
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#778390 - 08/13/12 07:55 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: Todd]
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The new Democrats ......... aka "Grant Groupies", also "Crisis Creators" ....... the disfunction is not nearly as one-sided as Todd would have all believe.

And on both sides of the aisle we have glory hogs who are only interested in themselves (well disguised, of course).

Lovely.
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#778404 - 08/13/12 11:18 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ParaLeaks]
Illyrian Offline
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wtf, drain Hetch Hetchy and let Haight Ashbury desalinate their waste
water.

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#778411 - 08/13/12 11:55 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Originally Posted By: Slab Happy
The new Democrats ......... aka "Grant Groupies", also "Crisis Creators" .......


Yeah, cuz taking all of the water out of the Sacramento before it reaches the Delta so that no fish can actually use the river is not a crisis, it's a conspiracy between fish and Democrats to de-fund Scabby.

And hydropower projects that are the number one, by far, destroyer of salmon and steelhead runs wherever they are installed are just a made up crisis.

And the groups that look out for your fishing, Scabhead, and the fish that you fish for, dumshit, should not receive any more grants when they are looking out for your fishing, shitferbrains, because they are opposing those hydropower projects, the ones that will further destroy the salmon runs that you fish for, dumbass.

It's just a big conspiracy.

Fish on...

Todd
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#778458 - 08/13/12 01:58 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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rofl rofl Bravo KK. You never cease to entertain. I will be
patient and see what happens when you get your Kindergarten
Graduation Certificate. Beware, you must use multisyllable words
now and then.

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#778459 - 08/13/12 02:01 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Kanektok Kid
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lol love the new nickname

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#778544 - 08/13/12 09:41 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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KK........
Quote:
There really is something to that old, pathetic, worthless, ignorant white guy deal



rofl

Someone loan that pathetic piece of crap a mirror.
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#778546 - 08/13/12 09:55 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Toddler......get a clue.
Grants to improve things are fine WHEN YOU CAN AFFORD THEM. Got it, dipstick?
You save-the-world goobers have no more comprehension of accountability than those you condemn.
A good start would be to throw out the salaries of those who work from grant money.....then we would see just how passionate they are about the next psuedo-crisis.
Let me know when you recruit enough money to finance a project without contributing to the debt. Produce something usable and do it on your own dime.
You need your purse string cut, Honey.
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#778547 - 08/13/12 09:58 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ParaLeaks]
Todd Offline
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You go from moron, to idiot, to dumbshit, and back to moron as seamlessly as Romney travels from for it, to against it, to for it again.

Congratulations on continuing to be the biggest fool, among a lot of big fools, here on PP's Dark Side.

It's like breaking your own world record.

Fish on...

Todd
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#778553 - 08/13/12 10:33 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: Todd]
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Your advancement, I'm sorry to say, is non-existant.

And your over-reaction speaks volumns.

Where's the tolerance and acceptance, Lefty?

rofl
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#778556 - 08/13/12 11:00 PM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ParaLeaks]
Todd Offline
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Tolerance does not mean being tolerant of intolerant and stupid asswipes like you.

What's a volumn?

Fish on...

Todd
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#778565 - 08/14/12 12:00 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: Todd]
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Originally Posted By: Todd
Tolerance does not mean being tolerant of intolerant and stupid asswipes like you.

What's a volumn?

Fish on...

Todd



Let's see......."not being tolerant of intolerance"......nice. Do you make this stuff up as you go along? And you think I'm intolerant? rofl

and you are worried about volumn?.....was it understandable, albeit mispelled?

You're really reaching.
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#778566 - 08/14/12 12:03 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ParaLeaks]
Todd Offline
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Jesusfuckingchrist Slabby...do you have to go to school to be as fuckin stupid as you purport to be?

Fish on...

Todd
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#778570 - 08/14/12 12:12 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: Todd]
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Apparently you do.
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#778607 - 08/14/12 10:38 AM Re: Republicans suck... [Re: ]
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Posts: 1475
Loc: Spokane, wa
Lordy! Hi brow entertainment at it's best. Lenny Bruce would feel
comfortable with the language of the damaged.

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