As for coyotes, love em or hate em they have to be respected. For more than a century we have shot them, poisoned them, trapped them, put a bounty on them and there are more now that ever. Talk about an animal that takes a licking and keeps on ticking!

Yes we should--least the ones in my back yard!

I'm glad wolves have been re-introduced and others are migrating into long unoccupied territory. Not only are the wolves interesting in and of themselves, there is bonus entertainment in the form of comments and rants from people who are bothered by the wolves. True, it's a perverse form of entertainment.

It's like which predaphobe can be the stupidest contest.

I say we give those socialist ranchers the boot off our public land. They've been sucking off the government teat too much and their entitlement has run dry. Make them graze on their own private land and not subsidized public-owned land.

No predaphobe here, but when a predator is reintroduced into an area where they have not been for multiple decades, as in a half century or more, it is akin to introducing a deleterious species. Do you disagree?

Nevermind the coolness factor. Really, why is it good for everything else that it will kill to have these guys back in the woods?

Here, and here.

there are plenty more......

exerpts from the last link:


"I have been able to find 27 recorded wolf attacks on humans in North America."

"Also, children often tended the family herds and still do in places such as India, where at least 273 children have been killed by wolves."

In the wolve's defense.....rabies is the main cause of human attack.

"Or how about this statistic: 29,000 people injured and 200 killed each year in the United States in automobile collisions with deer."

Does that mean no more abortions, cancer treatments, hip replacements, ad infinitum?

I get what you are saying, and I know that I am playing the devil's advocate here......but can't you see the double standard of saying Nature knows Best, except for us? If we don't like what occurs naturally in us, we change it or improve it as best we can.......but with the animal kingdom (which by your statement doesn't include us) all is "as it should be"........my turn......WHAT?

Oh my.


No-Doz powder.....sounds like a KK facial thing.

its Tea....

There you go again.....excluding humans from the animal kingdom.

nite nite........

These wolves crossed into our county illegally from Canada without proper documents and are killing USDA prime beef. Damn Canadians we should put up a fence and monitoring station to stop the invading hoards!

When I first read the state wolf's plan I thought it was a nice compromise, just as long as the state kept to their word and removed problem wolves/packs. Good to see they kept their side of the bargain.

I'm looking forward to hearing my first wild wolf and maybe someday will have the opportunity to hunt one.

As for those bitching about ranchers on public land. Well, good luck with that since they basically wrote the state constitution and are very happy to remind us west siders of that fact.

Since Wolves and Grizzly bears were eradicated from the human
horizons by our age old afflictions of fear and greed, I welcome them
back. We do all kinds of programs to help the survivability of Woodland Caribou, Elk, Mule Deer and many other creatures. If some of our
tax monies have to be for compensating ranchers for their Provable
losses to Wolves, so be it.
Ernest Thompson Seton was a Naturlist. He wrote many books and
short stories about creatures he managed to humanize. BS. I read
most of his writings years ago and his story about Lobo was a
good one when I read it. And then we grow up.
Now we are spending money to re- introduce the Red Wolf into
its' old range in the SouthWest.
go figure

A much gooder wolf photo....








Nailed it dead nuts on!



An overview of elk populations (albeit a tad dated) post wolf introduction.

• The Northern Yellowstone elk herd trend count has dropped from some 19,000 elk in 1995 before the introduction of the Canadian Gray wolf to just over 6,000 elk in 2008. At the same time the wolf numbers in this same area are on a steady increase.

• Yellowstone's Madison Firehole elk herd trend count has fallen from 700 to 108.

• The Gallatin Canyon elk herd trend count between Bozeman and Big Sky, Mont., has declined from 1,048 to 338.

• Wolf numbers in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming have far exceeded the original goals of 30 breeding pairs and 300 total wolves. Population estimates now exceed 1,700 wolves. And yet and others want to push the total up to 2,000 to 5,000 wolves.

• Studies show that wolves kill up to 23 elk per wolf from November through April alone or up to 40,000 elk in just six months. A smaller but still significant number are killed from May through October; with total annual elk kills by wolves just for food potentially greater than 50,000 at the present level of wolf population. This accounts for only the elk needed for food, not surplus killing, which are elk killed by wolves and not eaten, which also occurs. The majority of all these kills are not elk that are sick or old.

• Elk calf survival rates where wolves (and bears) are present are extremely low in specific herds, resulting in a survival rate of 10 percent or less-too low to sustain the herd over the long-term. RMEF points out this is a major issue as elk numbers going into the future, where wolves are concentrated, will suffer even greater losses and replacement becomes out of balance.

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Keeping one species (especially a highy efficient predator)completetely protected based on anthropomorhic bullschitt is a recipe for diaster.
(As per the holy Mountain Lion in California)



If we're to regulate ecosystems, for an artificial balance in the name of man's benefit, we must kill the same percentages of predators as we do prey or simply accept total crashes in population numbers of both ungulates and predators which may take decades to recover which is simply the way ma Nature operates.

However in this ever spiraling feel good "Animal Planet society " peoplewould much prefer to see the deer and antelope playing on the prairie from the windows of their Subarus and Land Rovers.

I love wolves in states such as alaska, montana and the such but washington is not those states. We are run by pugetopolis and reading this discussion goes to show why we should not have re-introduced wolves to this state.

We do not live in a Utopia. We have taken up the wintering grounds with our cities and boxed in pray species into smaller and smaller areas. They stand no chance against wolves in the small areas we have put them. A pack will sit on them and exterminate individual herds.

Individual moose will get it first in the northeast corner and numbers are falling already followed by the elk as they move heavily into the cascades. And our seattle coffee drinkers will never let them be managed without years of court room battles that the WDFW will not have the stomach for.

Wolves are great but they must be managed as all species and this state is not idaho or alaska or montana. We are washington(controlled by seattle) and that is trouble.

Kinda Ironic, we argue over the wolf population eating OUR elk and
deer. Kill em all many say. And yet we allow Cominco to poison the
Columbia River on a daily basis. And the only ones upbrading them
are the tribes. Inane.
Since we are who we are, overpopulation of any species we rub
shoulders with needs to be dealt with. However, not by genocide.

There is nothing wrong with Unicorns....