A back door analogy about science and fraud

Wonder whatever happened to Snake Oil, or does the O guy have
retroactive patent on the stuff?

Many of us have lost friends and loved ones to cancer and are aware of the legal choices for oncological treatment as chemo, surgery and radiation. One side of the coin of that legislation was likely to prevent Snake Oil charlatans from profiting from one's health crisis. T'other side is that there's an obviously significant investment in the established medical/pharmaceutical fields toward that end. Accordingly, there isn't much support within that system for possible means of treatment that don't contribute to that same investment. Imagine what would happen to the oncology field if something inexpensive, without adverse effects, were found to be highly successful as a cancer cure. If such remedies were presently known to exist within that same field, wouldn't that also be fraud?

If our lifestyle/diet/stress factor choices create a garbage dump that supports dis-ease like cancer, carpet bombing the garbage dump with the present 3 choices may temporarily kill the rats/symptoms, but it still looks and smells like a garbage dump....

The entire "keep you sick, but alive and in treatment" medical world is a fraud perpetrated against humanity. Big Pharma doesn't get rich curing people.

Fish on...

Todd

Nothing worse than the push of drugs. The first time I saw a comm say "ask your Dr about this or that and if it could be right for you." i thougth RYFKM. Advertise directly to pts if you can not gets Drs to give out enough Rxs. What a bunch of B.S. We had pharm reps take us out to lunch and this and that to push their products. The whole thing with drugs is a joke.


And just as bad they keep dropping and dropping the requirements and normal levels so anyone with a B.P over 130/80 needs to start to think about meds. Every kids that talks back gets meds. Anyone with any small infection gets meds. Anyone that had a bad day should have something. Makes me sick and IMO takes our bodies/minds ability away to deal with thing what was once common.

Now you sound like the illegitimate lovechild of Tom Joad and AuntyM.

Congratulations.

Fish on...

Todd

I do not think it is big Pharma perpetrating a grand scheme upon man. It is the nature of people that have created a business for big pharma. It is hard to eat the right things in moderation and exercise everyday. So the fat guy would rather take a hand full of pills. Its hard to accept your own mortality so people will do anything to stay alive even live in misery their lat 6 months than face the inevitable. I think Dr's know this about people and can tell in a quick visit that the guy that is 100lbs over weight and drinks too much and never exercises is probably not going to change his ways. So he tells him the truth and then gives him options the easiest being the pill route and the fat boy makes his choice. Even if there were no pills I doubt fat boy would stop killing himself a little bit at a time.

Aids for the most part is a lifestyle choice. Completely voluntary unless you are a woman and live in the wilds of Africa

I wasn't referring to the actual creation of a BabyHank, more the insipid offspring of made up "facts" presented in the form of an asswipe spouting off, as Hank did above.

Fish on...

Todd

"I fail to see how "eating poorly" and "being fat" has anything to do with "dry eyes" or "restless leg syndrome" though. There are several "new" disorders that most of us call "getting old" that big pharma has taken advantage of. I believe that's the sort of thing Docspud was referring to."

It may everything in the world to do with it or nothing at all. Most people will never know becasue taking the route of rebuilding your diet losing weight and getting exercise is the last thing they will try instead of the first thing. Getting old is 90% mental , people give up or are content to stay where they are in life, toss out the anchor so to speak. all the healthy old people I know are young at heart and willing to try new things.

Hank, You know those people are the exceptions and a minority. The majority of diseases, conditions etc that have drugs created for them are typically lifestle diseases. Lets look at the list of the top killers and disablers in the US.


Diseases of heart 652,486
Malignant neoplasms (cancer) 553,888
Cerebrovascular diseases 150,074
Chronic lower respiratory diseases 121,987
Unintentional injuries 112,012
Alzheimer's disease 46,991
Diabetes mellitus 73,138
Influenza and pneumonia 59,664
Suicide 25,566
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, 42,480
Septicemia 33,373

Imagine that heart disease, cancer and stroke top the list. Obese, lack of excercise, poor diet primary cause.

Predispositon is not causal. I think if you parsed the studies out and looked at lifestyle it would be very contributory in the majority.

"The trouble with that BS theory is that a hundred years ago, heart disease, cancer and stroke took out many people who never ate "factory prepared food" worked physically hard 6-7 days a week and were thin."



talk about BS. show us the stats.

Never said it Honk. I said eliminate those three things as causes and you eliminate the vast majority of the need for big pharma and Dr's in general.

"I think genetics plays a stronger role in determining who gets what."

Thats what you think its theory you cannot prove it. I think environment tiggers genetics in most cases.

WTF?

are you being serious TJ?

http://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm

Below is the percentage of U.S. adults with heart disease risk factors in 2005-2008.6


Risk Factor %
Inactivity 53
Obesity 34
High Blood Pressure 32
Cigarette Smoking 21
High Cholesterol 15
Diabetes 11



•Atrial fibrillation is the most common type of arrhythmia (abnormal heart rhythm).1
•When atrial fibrillation and other arrhythmias occur, the electrical activity of the heart is disorganized, causing an irregular heartbeat. The irregular heartbeat disrupts the flow of blood through the heart.
•Treatment of atrial fibrillation represents a significant health care burden. The estimated cost of the treatment of atrial fibrillation in 2005 was $6.65 billion per year, including the costs of hospitalization, in- and outpatient physician care, and medications.2
•An estimated 2.66 million people will have atrial fibrillation in 2010. As many as 12 million people will have the condition by 2050.3
•The incidence of atrial fibrillation increases with age.1 The median age for patients with atrial fibrillation is 66.8 years for men and 74.6 years for women.3
•The mortality rate from atrial fibrillation as either the primary or an underlying cause of death has been increasing for more than two decades.4
•African Americans experience atrial fibrillation at much lower rates than whites.5
•Risk factors for atrial fibrillation include high blood pressure, heart failure, diabetes, advanced age, hyperthyroidism, and heart disease.1
•Symptoms of atrial fibrillation include:

◦Irregular or rapid heartbeat
◦Palpitations
◦Lightheadedness, extreme fatigue
◦Shortness of breath chest pain
However, not all people with atrial fibrillation experience symptoms.


•Atrial fibrillation can be detected with an electrocardiogram (also called an EKG)—a simple, painless test that records the heart's electrical activity.
•Atrial fibrillation treatments include:

◦Medications to control the rhythm and rate of the heart
◦Surgery
◦Medication that thins the blood to prevent blood clot formation and reduces the risk of having a stroke
◦Medication and lifestyle changes to reduce the risk factors for atrial fibrillation, which include high blood pressure, obesity, and diabetes
•Stroke and heart failure are the two most common complications of atrial fibrillation.
•Atrial fibrillation is responsible for 15 to 20 percent of ischemic strokes. During an ischemic stroke, blood flow to the brain is blocked by blood clots or fatty deposits called plaque in blood vessel linings. Atrial fibrillation increases one’s risk of suffering an ischemic stroke by five times.3

The majority of over weight unhealthy people need an excuse for why they are unhealthy and over weight. It certainly is not becasue they do not exercise,smoke,have poor eating habits and emotional issues. Its all genetics they were born to be that way, just ask them.

I had atrial fib. after a 4 way bypass. They administer rat poison for
a few days to make sure you don't form a clot. After the electrical
signals settle down the AF goes away and so does the need for an anti-
clotting agent.

I smoked for years, just got lucky and haven't had one since St. Valentine's Day 1996.

If you smoke, QUIT! Stick around and toss insults like the majority here.

Breast cancer ? Hormones in foods excess estrogen in the environment. The skin is the largest organ we have a women slather it with chemicals to soften it etc. look at all the chemicals in lotion we would not eat it but we will roll in it. Prostate cancer is more prevalent but [Bleeeeep!] are more popular.

There fixed it for you!



Fishy

Stinkypussy I thought you were the sister that was all upset with name calling. What stopped you from being the fine young woman you aspired to be in your writings? Run out of valid arguments as you so eloquently put it?

Your the one who thought I must be talking about you, I took it as the third person.


Fishy

Life is not always fair. Genetics most certianly seems to be an overriding cause in the death of many of the people I know. My father is one of the most unhealthy people I know. Since he was 45 I doubt he excercised more than the distance of his car to the dinner table. At 82 he still weighs close to 400 lbs. Yet almost all of his freinds his age are dead. Three of my uncles and one aunt ( not related to my dad) were never more than 10 lbs over weight. All dead in their early 70's from cancer. My dad's brother was half his size, but died in his early 70's from heart failure. Three people I know were in their early 50's when they had heart attacks. One was riding his bike, one was playing basket ball with a bunch of 20 to 30 year olds, and the other was taking his daily walk. All three were more fit physically than most 30 year olds I know.

Think of all of those old time night clubbers.....you know, the rat packers.....how much smoke and booze did they consume?.....Most lived to be a respectable age. So just how deadly is deadly? I'm convinced it depends on the person individually......but Hey, lets make it apply to everyone....it's easier.

My best fisherman friend and duck hunting companion died young....too damn young.....heart crapped out. I'm still poking around all busted up from all the abuse I put myself through....and am still putting myself through.....I think I'll out live Todd just to piss on his grave. (well, maybe not.....went a little far with that......sorry, Toddler )