I watched the debate.
Now I'm asking myself, "Why?"

Four pages into this.........(by my screen, anyway).......and I read it.......again, "Why?"

We already took the quiz.

I finally found something you said that makes sense.

Lets work through this aka. The premise is that if a conservative running for president drops his pro life stance that he will pick up enough moderate votes to win. Given that most politicians would sell there soul to gain office why has no conservative tried it? Given the most believe that corporations own politicians why has no corp forced this strategy? It is a libertarian position why has no libertarian been elected as president? Why has no mastermind conservative election boss put forth such s platform with such a genius plan? Could it be that the conservative base would revolt and not support such a candidate? Why did Romney have to move from the middle further right if the moderates have so much power? Honestly the premise gives the moderates of the party more power than the tea party. The answer is simple its a stupid fukin idea.

The Self-Destruction of the 1 Percent


IN the early 14th century, Venice was one of the richest cities in Europe. At the heart of its economy was the colleganza, a basic form of joint-stock company created to finance a single trade expedition. The brilliance of the colleganza was that it opened the economy to new entrants, allowing risk-taking entrepreneurs to share in the financial upside with the established businessmen who financed their merchant voyages.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/opinio...tml?hp&_r=0


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We dont have anything like that. Except for the political class, which isnt completely invincible.

Are you suggesting a we dont have the ability to move up?

I'm suggesting that you read the article. Draw your own conclusions as to where we stand at this given time and to where we're headed and I'll do the same.


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The Vice Presidential Debate: Joe Biden Was Right to Laugh

So much of the Romney/Ryan plan is so absurdly junior league, it's so far off-Broadway, it's practically in New Jersey.

Paul Ryan, a leader in the most aggressively and mindlessly partisan Congress in history, preaching bipartisanship? A private-equity parasite, Mitt Romney, who wants to enact a massive tax cut and pay for it without touching his own personal fortune-guaranteeing deduction, the carried-interest tax break – which keeps his own taxes below 15 percent despite incomes above $20 million?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blo...-laugh-20121012

This would be laughable if it were not happening to us.


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The reasons Biden was an clown. You cant defend your record, so do whatever you can to take your opponent off his train of thought and distract the audience long enough, they cannot determine, whether the opponent is knowledgable, credible and capable of being president, based on the content of the answers. Biden interrupted 82 times during the debate. Attacking your opponent relieves you of the time you have to defend your position and your actions.

ABC is spending the majority of its message, this morning, trying to convince voters, the debates dont really matter.

So Romney pays $3 million in federal income tax, do you actually think that he got his moneys worth in government services? Or has he helped support thousands of poor with that pitiful amount of money?

The fed bailed Bain out and he has dodged taxes by offshoring money that he made in this country.
I have heard it asked "why should I worry about what Mitt does with his money while President Obama spends ours", but my question is if he wants to lead this country then he should be crystal clear with what he has made and where he has that money, cause if he can't do that then I do not trust him with our countries finances.
He should pay the same tax that any of the working stiffs pay since this is his income!

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I notice you did not say a thing about off-shoring cash to avoid taxes from business here in the US.

Bain was bailed out by the Fed and Mitty profited from bankrupting companies and running up their debt.

If we tax those people under the poverty level, as some here propose, then we should damn well tax those that make their income from investments as income!

Don't forget to "Save Big Bird"

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You do realize that dividends for the most part are after tax income, paid out by the company. Im not sure if you understand, that many mutual funds have a percentage of foreign investments, as well as many companies list on the various stock exchanges are located in foreign countries. In addition, Romneys investments are in a blind trust and he is not in charge of his own investment portfolio.

A lot of Obama cabinet has overseas investment too. Obamas own blind trust is likely to have some foreign investments.
Eventually, you pay taxes over there or over here or both.

I did a google search on Romney

romney ryan yard sign free, is the number one search
Romney
Romney 2012
Romney for president
Romney lates news.

Noone has even typed in Romney overseas investments.

"You give a blind trust rules"

Otherwise Obama would be running his trust as well. They all would.

http://www.wilmingtontrust.com/wtcom/index.jsp?fileid=3000311


If you have evidence that romney is breaking the law, then call the IRS. Otherwise, its just petty class envy.


http://beginnersinvest.about.com/od/investingglossary/g/blind-trust.htm

Bain capital acquired company's, saddled them with debt to pay outrageous bonuses and management fee's and under funded their pensions plans which had to be bailed out by the PBGC, which has come under financial duress.

"How Romney’s Firm Drove Steel Plant Into Bankruptcy, But Still Profited Thanks To Federal Bailout

"What’s more, a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44 million to bail out the company’s underfunded pension plan. Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8 million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees."


http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/01/06/399117/romney-bain-federal-bailout/?mobile=nc

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Special report: Romney's steel skeleton in the Bain closet




The story of Bain's failed investment in the Kansas City mill offers a perspective on a largely overlooked chapter in Romney's business record: His firm's brush with a U.S. bailout.

His supporters say the pension gap at the Kansas City mill was an unforeseen consequence of a falling stock market and adverse market conditions. But records show that the mill's Bain-backed management was confronted several times about the fund's shortfall, which, in the end, required an infusion of funds from the federal Pension Benefits Guarantee Corp.

The Kansas City millworkers, meanwhile, are still fuming, after being left with no health benefits and a reduced pension check.

"Romney cost me lots and lots of sleepless nights and lots and lots of money," said Ed Stanger, who worked at the plant for nearly 30 years.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/01/06/us-campaign-romney-bailout-idUSTRE8050LL20120106

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Chuck----Not standing for anything and throwing out a JFC or a.... .....doesn't make make you deep thinker.

In fact you're starting to look like a middle of the road kiss as.s that stands for nothing but tries to be popular.

Up the revolution....they're all scum...[Bleeeeep!] the establishment....it's all Bush/Clinton/Gore/Carter/Regan/Fords' fault is not being a deep thinker. It might gain you points with the large crowd of [Bleeeeep!].ing idiots here...but it just makes you another phu.cking idiot.

F.uck.....Fu.ck....Fuc.k.

Ph.uck....Phu.ck....Phuc.k.

T.est...te.st...tes.t.

Oh yeah and this is what I said;

"If we tax those people under the poverty level, as some here propose, then we should damn well tax those that make their income from investments as income!"

Save Big Bird!


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