I think that is important to not let non citizens vote. Non citizens voting dilutes my vote.

If you really want to stop "voter fraud", we should start with the paperless mystery machines.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2012/1..._medium=twitter

"The Ends, justifies the means."

Total govt control.

The concept is simple and important to prevent fraud by requiring ID.....the devil's in the details. With so many absentee voters, perhaps a visit once during any year they want to vote to verify their ID before a ballot is mailed to them from the Auditor's Office might do it. Any other ideas?

If you support voter ID laws, and this is the extent of your concern over protecting the veracity and integrity of the vote, then you are a hypocritical unAmerican.

That's all there is to it.

Now if you happen to be offended by the disenfranchisement of tens of thousands of voters (who just happen to be black, mostly, but just as American as you...), then I'll at least listen to your idea.

If you didn't have a problem with what happened in FL and think that voter fraud is a problem, then hit the beach and swim to North Korea...your style of democracy would fit in fine there.

Fish on...

Todd

last paragraph....

California has the nation’s largest population of illegal immigrants—mostly from Mexico—and taxpayers take a huge hit to pay for their education, incarceration and medical care. In healthcare alone, Los Angeles County blows about $400 million annually on illegal aliens, according to figures published a few years ago by the Department of Social Services. Welfare and food stamps add another $440 million and incarceration $244 million, according to the agency’s figures.

Well then I'll guess you'll have to listen. I think ALL legal Americans should be able to vote....no exceptions. So the question is, "HOW" to make that happen. Not requiring some sort of verification is not an acceptable answer......balls in your court.

and leave fkn N Korea out of it....

The problem, Slab, is that voter ID laws are the "answer" to a problem that doesn't exist.

Since it doesn't exist, what's the point of having it?

What if 3 people who aren't supposed to vote get stopped by a voter ID law, but 3000 people who should be able to vote are stopped, too?

That's how it is with voter ID laws.

Know this...if you support voter ID laws you are not supporting making sure a bunch of illegals and felons don't vote...you are supporting that thousands of those who should be allowed to vote may not be able to do so.

What does more damage to the American way? A handful of people who shouldn't vote sneaking in and voting, or thousands of people who should vote being disenfranchised?

The answer is easy:

If you are an American, then you should make sure that everyone who is allowed to vote does, even if a few extras get in there.

If you are a supporter of the voter ID laws, then you are supporting making sure that thousands who should vote, don't, in the name of a few fraudsters.

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Todd

Todd,

The mindset that supports stopping a few fraudulent voters at the expense of disenfranchising many legitimate voters are usually OK with capitol punishment killing a few innocent convicts in the process of killing the guilty ones. The end justifies the means.

Sg

In this case the "end" is keeping thousands of Democrats from voting for Democratic candidates at the altar of pretend voter fraud.

To pretend otherwise is to stick your head right up your ass.

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Todd

No argument there. What could be more important to 'Merica than preventing voters from electing Democrats?

"If you are a supporter of the voter ID laws, then you are supporting making sure that thousands who should vote, don't, in the name of a few fraudsters."

If you are referring to voting this year, I'd agree.....time's too short.
If you are referring to some future date....then I don't agree. Why do you think that requiring ID is not feasible?

I read an article that stated UFO sightings occur more frequent than proven voter fraud. Although I agree some sort of proof of citizenship/eligibility to vote should be required just not sure how you could make it available to 100%.

It's not that it's not feasible.

It's that there is no need for it. There is no measurable voter fraud...and by 'voter fraud', I mean voters who will vote, but would be stopped by the ID laws.

It's so few as to be "zero".

The downside, of course, is that thousands of actual legitimate voters will be stopped from voting.

Those voters are, by and large, Democratic voters.

And that is the point of the entire exercise.

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Todd

Those pushing the laws, and those here supporting them, by and large, understand that.

If they feel good about what they are doing, then they should just do what the Pennsylvania Governor did and admit it...they are supporting the laws in order to disenfranchise Democratic voters.

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Todd

Why would they be democrats. Poor? Uneducated? What states would they happen to live in?

Black, mostly, and in the case of Florida, have names somewhat similar to a convict (even if they themselves have never even had a parking ticket).

That's all it took to have tens of thousands of them scrubbed from the rolls, in an election year where several hundred votes in FL got GWB appointed President.

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Todd

If you're actually worried about voter fraud, and aren't deeply concerned about that...then like I said, you and your opinion would be better off in North Korea where that type of schit is the norm.

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Todd

Toff the ever apathetic one, the one that can understand the plight of the black man while he is casting a spey rod in northern bc. grow up mama's boy.

Fuckoff, asswipe.

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Todd