Were any of you who frequently squabble here about red and blue even aware that there was a third party debate today?
debate starts at 1:02:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5EcaX12h46k


Again, A Complete Mainstream Media blackout on the event, and Youtube is up to it's old tricks...gaming the view count by freezing it which really prevents the video from getting any elevated popularity.
As of the time I wrote this it is frozen on 302 views, with 787 likes...I can see the likes rise while I watch the video, but not the counter.

Democracy?

Who cares, neither have a chance in hell of being taken seriously and will never get elected.


I'm going to debate my wife on the issues over dinner tonight, should we televise it?


Fishy

That depends what she's wearing.

No surprise some choking on a BO load can not see the value of a stronger third party.

I could say that some are choking on the romney load or that there are people to obtuse to see beyond their own agenda, but I am right.

The third party has no chance against the huge amounts of cash,media attention and it will take a Herculean effort to turn this tide, especially when people are out there continuing to point fingers and blame one party over the other!


Fishy

Exactly stink......and you seem to be in the top two or three blaming away. Now others do the same so that makes it OK. Sad part is there is little to no difference between either party in power when it comes to who's balls will be washed by the next admin. It is all window dressing as you (if you had a brain) would see.

We need a stronger third party and the media that is in on the whole thing refuses to even acknowledge them. Just keep fighting over abortion (that will never be changed anyway), gay marriage and tax cuts that will do nothing to change anything for anyone except piss off one base and please another.

If you cannot see it YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

Who Cares? You should! unless you don't care for a true democracy and like having that thick piece of wool sitting over your face. ..That comment "who cares" is exactly what is wrong with stupid americans like yourself these days.

The baseline begins with David Letterman. Who told Rachel Maddow, that Obama lied in the last debate about Romneys position on Detroit. Earth to David Letterman.

Says the woman on her knees genuflecting to all things Romney!

Fishy

The only thing stupid is thinking that this third party will be taken seriously or that people will pay attention, with the drive up fast food super size attitude these days.

I care that's why I am here and watch the debates but I will not delude myself into thinking that anyone in the third party has a smidgeon of a chance until the campaign contribution laws are changed and they can spend the same amount that the two parties can.

But go ahead and watch the debate, I'll be watching the game.

Fishy

AM, I do not lie either and have spoken out against what the Dems have done and about Obama also on this forum and I am not like anyone else, but I will speak out when so many people seem to think the Repubs are any different.

Your attempt to appear objective falls far short at the moment with your constantly being a shill for Romney, and calling President Obama names does nothing to justify your feelings other than to make you feel better.

Your judgement is not the beacon for sound,moderation either and shows when you debase yourself with childish attacks on those that disagree with you!


Fishy

This from a guy who spends every waking hour arguing with EVERYONE about EVERYTHING.

Its a sad,sad world you live in Hank.

Ducks and geese calling, try and play nice!

Fishy

+ several

We are not a democracy. We are a republic. google it.

There are about 20 candidates for president in florida. There will be probably 4-6 in Washington. They have the right to speak, but that is where it ends. In most cases, its the minority of each party that feel they are not represented and leave the party, hoping to get leverage for issues. A good read is the Kennedy Nixon race and how a couple southern states ended up throwing some delegates, to Strom Thurmond? and their was more than one way to decide how to the application of electoral votes. It didnt make any difference in the end, but if more states adopted proportion distribution of delegates, it could be just another way to jury rig an election.

Its not a common discussion, but if the split does happen at 269-269 (which is now possible 4-5 different ways), the House will pick the president and the Senate will pick the VP. Assuming its not just cheerleading, I don't think its going to be a tie.

Thanks for posting this, SkyGuy. Dismissing the legitimacy of third-party candidates is akin to using an assumed right to complain as justification for voting when you don't fully support either majority candidate. It's apathy, at its ugliest, which is the disease that has rendered the People powerless against their elected officials.

I'm not saying that any third-party candidate stands a snowball's chance in hell of winning, but I think more people should pay attention to what these folks have to say. If they are, as Fast n Furious tells us, people who cut ties with the major parties, they are probably exactly the sort of politicians we all claim to be seeking, and they may have perspectives that make us all think beyond what the primary candidates and the media tell us we should. i haven't seen the debates (I don't have cable TV in my house anymore, and until I read this, I didn't know they were happening), but I'll confidently bet there was more substantive discussion of the real issues confronting our nation than in the last 50 presidential debates combined.

The two-party, lesser of two evils system has effectively removed popular influence from Federal government altogether. If we truly want to see change for the greater good, we need to start talking to each other about what we really want, not the limited, hot button selection of topics upon which the Democrats and Republicans base their campaigns.

To use your term AM which is the epitome of hubris "You must not be paying attention, because I posted something about something twelve years ago" ( Ok I paraphrased the last part but you get my drift).

I had a conversation with Hank where I said what I did not like about the Dems and President Obama and what I did like about the R's candidates.

Todd and I have been round a few times, but since there are so many on here that slam everything Dem then I feel compelled sometimes to throw some water on the fire.

Hypocrisy is when you denounce everything the Dems have accomplished and then tell everyone how things will be so different under an R administration, where everyone will have a job, (even though everyone has retracted their home budgets and their will be little or no DEMAND for said products or services)! We will all ride unicorns and never have to worry about terrorists, healthcare, retiring and the deficit will fix itself even though they will cut the tap of monies flowing into it by 20% and raise the amount given to the military (contractors) all by cutting little used programs like PBS, Medicare, Medicaid, SS,food stamps,education and on and on.


Thanks for playing, time to watch the game, GO Detroit!

Fishy

Well said.

Here's a list of dummy's that want to fix the debt even if it means RAISING taxes on themselves.

Business Leaders Urge Deficit Deal Even With More Taxes

http://www.fixthedebt.org/uploads/files/CEO-Fiscal-Leadership-Council-Membership.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/us/pol...ml?hpw&_r=0

What a bunch of dummy's, probably not smart enough to amount to anything in their lives!

Fishy

Oh and here's a look at what ole mitty will do on his very first day!!


The Morning After

President-elect Willard M. Romney — congratulations! It’s a Mormon miracle, when you think about it, even bigger than Brigham Young University’s stunning upset of No. 1-ranked Miami in 1990.

Turns out, you really could write off 47 percent of Americans, the moochers and victims. All it took was a tough march through the suburbs of Florida, Virginia, Colorado and — ha, ha, Bruce Springsteen — Ohio.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/25/the-morning-after-2/

Fishy

Don't forget about Pat Buchanan, in 2000. He declared as an independent. He knew he could not win.

We have the primary challenges for this purpose. If you cannot win the primary, its just a pitty party going third party, in a national election, that relies on the electoral system. Had it not been for the electoral system, Perot might have been a serious challenger. But a national popular vote can change the whole dynamic and not necessarily in a good way. The money in this election is just insane. Getting paid back, means picking winners and losers. We need more debates, when people are paying attention and less fraudulent advertising. People might begin to pay attention earlier if ads and money were restricted. Regardless, it won't be decided here.

Third parties in either party are the small minority. They don't have broad support for various reasons. We may get more regardless. Given the lack of education of economics and personal finance for people old enough to vote, we put the entire nation in danger. Imagine knowing at 18 what their parents know much later in life. If you want politicians to work together, you have to educate the youth, well enough they understand the ramifications of excessive govt regulation, overspending and overtaxing, under the guise of compassion. That would at least help weed out the various proponents of government ownership, Keynesian economics and the welfare state.