Two Iranian warplanes attack an American Predator over Internatiional
waters and that is not an act of war? WTF.

It's an act of utter stupidity, to say the least.

Act of war? Not so much.

What I want to know is how do fighter jets fail to shoot down an unarmed and unmanned drone? With two shots, nonetheless!

Fish on...

Todd

i consider it an act of war...

it was international airspace, if they had shot at one of our fighter jets, they would consider that an act of war... just because the Predator is unmanned, doesnt change anything, they fired on one of our aircraft in international airspace, and honestly, they should pay for it, im getting sick of Iran and their bullsh!t ways they are living by trying to scare people like they are some big bad ass on the block that will take anyone...

the SU-25 is a complete joke of a jet, it probably couldnt hang with one of our old F-4 Phantoms, let alone a SuperHornet or any of the other 18s, 16s, and 15s we have... i DARE them to try...

The fact that it was unmanned makes all the difference in the world.

Fish on...

Todd

Obviously cooler heads prevailed. RH sigle-handedly ignites a powder keg.

The air assault on Iran has begun.

I wouldnt accept any report from Rueters or the AP at face value. I'm certain what is being reported isn't the entire truth, or even truthful.
Those air force pilots could have shot it down if they wanted to, perhaps they fired a few warning shots that are now being mischaracterized as an attack?

Their jets fly at something like 530mph, the drone at 120mph...it's not like the drone out flew or outran them.

Fish on...

Todd

1) The Predator was probably spying and probably either in their airspace or right on the edge.

2) The Iranian pilots suck.

So, you are suggesting the Iranians had better judgement than...

I'm suggesting that if Iranian figher pilots intended to shoot down an unmanned and unarmed drone that the drone would have splashed.

I'm also suggesting that anyone who thinks this is an act of war, in the unlikely event that anything like the truth is being shared, is a dumbfuck.

Fish on...

Todd

Drone outflew them.
Dove toward mommy and daddy Super Hornet.
Iranians did not want to tango.

More like incompetent interpretations of what probably happened, Hank. How much do you know about Iran? here is a start:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_aZ7qSg0NY

Do they look incompetent to you? wait, please dont answer

And Illyrian and Redhook, if you think starting any type of conflict with Iran is a good idea, let me show you some blue states in the middle of the corn belt where you'll feel right at home with the rest of the illiterates.

like i said, the SU 25 is a complete pile of sh!t... the Russians basically tried to copy us in our concept with the Hog, aka A-10 Warthog, but they failed.. the SU also isnt a fighter jet, but more of a ground support jet like the A-10, but way less nimble, and a huge pile of sh!t...

they didnt fire warning shots, who the hell would do that? the fact is they missed, and there is 2 reasons they missed..

1, their pilots suck ass, and couldnt shoot down a refueling jet even while hooked to the hose

2, the gun, it is obnoxious as all hell, the recoil from it rattles the sh!t out of the cockpit, pilot, and rest of the plane... the recoil is so bad, that 90 percent likely of pilots dont even want to use it, and with it being that bad, it makes it extremely inaccurate... the SU can carry 2 air to air missiles, but mainly just bombs and rockets for air to ground attack, its not a fighter jet, more like a small bomber... i could probably outfly the peice of sh!t with an R/C Hellicopter...

Iran possibly may have J-10s from China, and SU 30s from Russia, but i dont know if that is known yet... the SU 30 is basically an F-15 rip off, but its way slower, and not near as manueverable as the 15...

all other countries need to take heed when it comes to air superiority, the US OWNS it, no one will beat it, so just stop trying... or, get blown up, your choice...

SG, i dont think its a good idea, im just sick of their crap... and Iran couldnt do sh!t to us anyways, im not even worried... nuke em for all i care...

Maybe I was't clear Todd...


I was suggesting Redhook would dropped that drone in a heartbeat while the Iranian pilots seemed to have better sense than to start WW3

*** please see his above statement****


He is ready to nuke them....

Make sure to be there when the recruiter opens in the morning, putting someone else life in danger suddenly becomes very real when it's your azz on the line!


Fishy

Probably went down something like this:

Mahmoud: "Hey Farhad! You suck so bad as a pilot that you'll probably just crash land your Mig-25 in to Iraq!"

Farhad: "Your sister is an ugly goat, Mahmoud! I'll bet you 100,000 tomans that you can't shoot down that American-Capitalist-Pig-Dog Predator Drone flying over there!"

Mahmoud: "Better break out your wallet Farhad, hold my beer and WATCH THIS!"

Farhad: "Ha! You missed that drone by 300 meters! The American controller is laughing at you right now! Suck it, Mahmoud!"

Mahmoud: "I hate you Farhad."

LOL, nice work guys...

Irans AF wouldnt last through the first 24 hours against ours... our B-1s 2s and 52s would blow thier bases and planes off the map with the first strikes...and our fighters would eliminate the ones that got away and up in the air...

Iran should also watch it with Israel, they have our 15s and 16s, as well as Cobra and Apache choppers... they will also be getting the
F-35 which is pretty bad ass in itself, and the C-130 Super Herc, which could, and may be turned into a AC-130, with a Howitzer cannon along with others such as 40mm and 20mms, they probably will only do it to 1 tho... i think the US has under 50 AC-130s in operation, but mess with em, and have fun with the molten rain falling down upon the..

All this talk about Air Craft. Leave the fly boys at home and launch a 50 or so TLAMs. Very little risk to personnel.

Yep, the best response to a tyrannical, oppressive government is to bomb the citizens of their country. That'll show 'em.

Heck, let's use nukes and when the place cools off in 50 years or so, we can call it East Virginia and add a big, black, oil-colored star to the flag.

It's not like anything ever goes wrong after you start bombing. Whoever survives will greet the bombers as liberators.

In reality you can't do that.
It would become a messy situation immediately.
They would start lobbing sh!t at Israel for the fun of it.
Suicide attacks on Persian Gulf shipping would shut down the shipping lanes.
US gas prices would soar.
Innocent people would die.

The Iranian people just need to take their country back.

That ain't nothin'.
They're burrowing so you need to drill down, penetrate way down through concrete, steel and Mother Earth herself to flush these rodents out.
http://rt.com/news/massive-ordnance-penetrator-bomb-bunker-buster-144/

“Without a change in leadership, why would the next four years be any different from the last four years?”

Interesting ending quote for this thread. Obama didn't start any wars in the last four years. I really, really want no difference in the next four years.

At the very least, I hope we pay for Bush's wars before starting a new one.

WTF Hank? thats a god damn video game and not even a good one to boot....

come on maaaaaann...

At hanks age he probably thought that was a real video.

Are you suggesting that solving poblems in the Middle East is more difficult than succeeding in a video game? That's just stupid. Redhook, are you Karl Rove?

I don't think Nuking Nevada will do a dang thing as far as Iran is concerned.

Certain areas of Washington would be perfect. I'd start in King county and work out from there. Targeting the large population centers and Todds basement dwelling (interwebz command central) first....goat farmers and flamers next.

Well I would think if the TLAMs took out their air strips that would eliminate the ability of the planes to land or take off to mess with our drones.

If that panty bomb included a few of Vedders tighty whiteys with the racing stripe I think you're right.

I'd be her honor...no doubt. Just as long as KupKake was allowed to "sniff" the ordnance before delivery I have no doubt it would be a smashing event.

For an assault on Toddster Acres I would buy a case of TP at Costco, rent a 172 and proceed to obliterate the place with asswipe streamers.

Military nomeclature is AS-65 TP Express
The previous weapon was AGM-65 "Maverick"

The TP Express is a new variant championed by the Obama administration.
Think of it as military Obamacare.

TFF.....well the General is home and I gotta' go salute.......

Considering the fact a couple of worm attacks brought their nuke program to a halt and that all their top scientists are either dead or on American soil I'd say this war has been going on for several years now.

I'd also say with the success of the cyber/covert war we should just keep on keeping on until the Iranian people take over their own country.

Of course this doesn't help Wall Street and give the central bank an excuse to print another billion dollars to send to Wall Street so we'll probably end up sending in tanks

I feel right at home where I am. Thank You. Even tho you
tend to represent the space twixt your ears as sky, I suspect you are
a bit brighter than that.
Like it or not, most of the wars in our country's history have been
started with a Democraptic Cinc. I said Most.
One of the number one causes for those wars is misunderstandings.
Japan, Germany, North Korea, North Viet Nam and a Central
American state along with an Island of idioits all read the USA
differently than we are. Carter made us a Paper Tiger and the
destruction of our Embassy resulted and hostages were taken.
Now Iran is beginning to believe its' own BS, in my opinion.
Whether they could have downed the Predator or not is moot.
They took the option to shoot at it a bit.
WHY?
Can't be cause they're hissed off, they are always hissed off.
I think they just want to see if the O guy is another Carter.
Just sayin

Perhaps they should ask Bin laden!


Fishy

Naw, B laden was living in a hidy hole watching the boob tube and trying to act like a leader of men. History tends to excrete those types of leaders, ala Hussain.
The Iranians are out in the open and acting like street toughs. Killing off a bunch of Iranian civilians is not a fix. Offing a bunch of Mullahs
and politicians is another matter. It can be done.