#800541 - 11/15/12 10:39 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ColeyG]
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Here is an interesting statistic for you guys regarding gun safety in the home.
It is 7 times more likely that firearms kept in the home will be used against the occupants and/or accidentally discharged by the occupants than it is that they will be used by the occupants to protect themselves. That statistic comes from a comprehensive study done by the National Institute of Justice that looked at incidents involving firearms in the home for a 10-12 year period here in the US I believe. Sobering eh.
Accidental discharge by "dropping" a firearm is a highly, highly unlikely event. I love stats. Depending on what the agenda is highly affects the outcome of the presentation. Did the stats provide you with what the chance is of being involved in such an event (percentage of incidents vs. number of gun owners)? How about if I own 3 guns? are my chances three times as great? How much effect does the owners criminal record play into the stats (people more likely to be involved with questionable choices)? .007 is seven times greater than .001 Know what I mean?
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#800543 - 11/15/12 10:42 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: Somethingsmellsf]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 12/26/11
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I would like to think that the majority of us that are life members of the NRA have spent that money because we want to help make a difference. I don't believe in everything they do, but they, and CCRKBA are the 2 best things we have going fighting for our gun rights. Spending the money on a life membership is just the beginning.
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#800545 - 11/15/12 10:46 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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I don't blame those who send their money to the NRA...I blame the NRA for being lying sacks'o'[Bleeeeep!] who sell fear more than anything else.
There's a two year old gun grabbing thread on here full of all the fear, and none has yet chimed in on it to tell us about all the guns they've had grabbed.
I be the NRA and gun/ammo manufacturers popped the corks hard about five minutes after Obama was re-elected...they knew the money would start rolling in an hour later.
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#800548 - 11/15/12 10:53 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: Todd]
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which is worse....asking for money to do something
or asking to borrow money to do something and then not paying it back?
You get that school loan thing paid off yet, Todd?
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#800552 - 11/15/12 11:07 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Nice waste of space, as usual, Slabby.
The money they're asking for is to keep their cottage industry alive, and their bank accounts padded. I'm sure they send you a yearly "thank you note" for it.
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#800554 - 11/15/12 11:14 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: Todd]
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no answers?
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#800569 - 11/15/12 11:55 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Answers to what? Your irrelevant questions? My monthly loan payment is probably as big as your mortgage, not that it matters at all about anything at all to do with this subject.
How about you tell me how much you owe on your house, and what your payment is? Credit score?
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#800576 - 11/16/12 12:23 AM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: Todd]
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LOL.....good....glad you're paying me back.  My questions were quite relevant.....you expounding on how individuals donate their dollars, when in fact they had no choice in whether to loan you their money.....just call it checking on an investment. I've made overpayments for a long time on my mortgage and it is down to the point where I can pay it off at any time I choose. I'll decide when to stop making monthly payments and simply do away with the mortgage, but it likely won't be happening until I decide to walk away from working. Credit score? I have no idea.....do I need a loan? 
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#800582 - 11/16/12 12:36 AM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: Todd]
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Registered: 11/08/06
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My monthly loan payment is probably as big as your mortgage Like a good democrat are you current or waitin' fer obama bucks? Have you called'em on your obama phone and axed for a deferment or are you waitin' for 'loan fergivness'. Can you save up enuff obama bucks on an EBT card and use that towards payin' off skool debt...?
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#800595 - 11/16/12 01:52 AM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Ranger Danger
Registered: 02/08/07
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I love stats. Depending on what the agenda is highly affects the outcome of the presentation.
In this instance, the NIJ's agenda was to look at these events, analyze them, and come up with recommendations for safely managing firearms in the home to try and cut down on the number of kids that find their parents guns and accidentally kill themselves and or others with them. That happens on average about 3,000 times a year here in the US. Their agenda was/is not anti gun, quite the opposite in fact. It was/is pro gun and pro responsible gun ownership and management.
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#800604 - 11/16/12 06:02 AM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ColeyG]
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I love stats. Depending on what the agenda is highly affects the outcome of the presentation.
In this instance, the NIJ's agenda was to look at these events, analyze them, and come up with recommendations for safely managing firearms in the home to try and cut down on the number of kids that find their parents guns and accidentally kill themselves and or others with them. That happens on average about 3,000 times a year here in the US. Their agenda was/is not anti gun, quite the opposite in fact. It was/is pro gun and pro responsible gun ownership and management. Coley, I'm not in agreement, although I want to be. Any government agency is not, repeat not interested as a priority in freedoms of the individual. They are interested in control. In some, perhaps most, instances where some degree of control is desired, the laws written no doubt affect the law-abiding folks as well, and there is the rub. From the home page of NIJ.gov........"Each year, too many law enforcement officers die in the line of duty. Last year, 177 lost their lives — a 16 percent increase from 2010." And you want me to believe that NIJ is interested in my gun "freedoms"? I suggest that such is not the case. In the long run, the problem(s) will always be those who have no respect for others....I wish us all luck with that.
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#800605 - 11/16/12 06:14 AM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ParaLeaks]
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Just to show that my heart is with you in the realization of the difficulty in such control........Us old farts are retiring at a rate of 10,000/day. (Compare that stat to the one concerning home gun accidents) Do you suppose a bunch of old fogies who probably shouldn't even own guns will affect the home accident rate?........like never before? 10,000/day don't quit your day job.
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#800618 - 11/16/12 10:03 AM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
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Then on "average" it happens in Washington State once every 6 days? 3000 per year does sound a bit high. I assume we are taking the term "accidently" strait from the family's story...at face value ? Even if these statistics were in the realm of reality, just because these "parents" don't handle their freedom/responsibility well, is not a valid reason to take away the freedoms of an entire population. Do I need to post a statistic of the kids who don't "find" the family firearm collection and "accidently" kill themselves or their friend ? Can we agree that the overwhelming majority of kids don't accidently kill themselves...even if they do stumble upon an improperly stored firearm ? How many kids are killed every year riding a skateboard or bicycle ?
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#800632 - 11/16/12 12:03 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
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Registered: 02/08/07
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The point of sharing the home gun storage issue was that responsible gun owners need to keep kids and crooks from having access to their guns. Find home storage solutions that acheive that because based on the facts, if we don't, chances are you will know someone or be someone who has a kid or a crook misuse a firearm in their home.
Of course there are too many LE death due to firearms, just like there are too many kids that shoot their faces off every year, if you don't agree with that you are a fool. In each case, the only acceptable number is zero. Will we ever achieve that? Of course not. Through promoting better awareness and training can we help cut down on some of those deaths. You bet.
People or organizations using these realities and statistics to advance unreasonable agendas is not what anyone is promoting here.
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#800652 - 11/16/12 12:56 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ColeyG]
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Juvenile at Sea
Registered: 09/28/06
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ANY kid deaths are to many, LE deaths shouldn't even be an issue. Don't get me wrong, I admire and appreciate what they do but they volunteered to do that job knowing the risks.
All laws are to control the law abiding public, the crooks don't care, otherwise they wouldn't be crooks. You will never be able to keep any type of gun out of their hands, whether they steal them from homes, police depts., military bases or just buy them.
Education about gun safety will stop accidental deaths, and no I am not an NRA member.
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#800656 - 11/16/12 01:08 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ColeyG]
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The point of sharing the home gun storage issue was that responsible gun owners need to keep kids and crooks from having access to their guns. Find home storage solutions that acheive that because based on the facts, if we don't, chances are you will know someone or be someone who has a kid or a crook misuse a firearm in their home.
Of course there are too many LE death due to firearms, just like there are too many kids that shoot their faces off every year, if you don't agree with that you are a fool. In each case, the only acceptable number is zero. Will we ever achieve that? Of course not. Through promoting better awareness and training can we help cut down on some of those deaths. You bet.
People or organizations using these realities and statistics to advance unreasonable agendas is not what anyone is promoting here. I agree that one death is too many. I disagree with manipulation of stats.
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#800658 - 11/16/12 01:16 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: Katmai Guy]
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I will refine the statement yet again for clarity. Using stats for manipulation is not what I am promoting here. LE deaths shouldn't even be an issue. Don't get me wrong, I admire and appreciate what they do but they volunteered to do that job knowing the risks. Really? Shouldn't even be an issue? No one should care and/or take proactive steps to try and reduce the number of cops killed in the line of duty? I hope you don't really mean that. Of course their chosen profession comes with a much higher element of risk than most, even more reason to try and mitigate those for the preservation of life.
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#800661 - 11/16/12 01:29 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
[Re: ColeyG]
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Dick Nipples
Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
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The reason the gun nuts look like nuts, including the NRA, is because they lump anything that might improve gun safety in with the "guns should all be banned forever" crowd.
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#800662 - 11/16/12 01:31 PM
Re: Here Come The Gun Grabbers!
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The 3,000 gun deaths per year figure includes homicides and suicides. Are you [Bleeeeep!] crazy? You are trying to tell me there are only 3000 gun deaths per year total in the U.S.?
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