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#799092 - 11/10/12 12:41 AM Unenjoyment continues...
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#799126 - 11/10/12 11:47 AM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: Equinox]
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rofl Oh so true.

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#799262 - 11/10/12 09:42 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: Illyrian]
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Fact or fiction?
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#799267 - 11/10/12 10:24 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: Salman]
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#799633 - 11/12/12 05:35 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: ParaLeaks]
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"Government doesn't create jobs" Mitt Romney (aka Roadkill)
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#799644 - 11/12/12 06:01 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: stlhead]
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While Mr. Romney's statement " That government doesn't create jobs." is correct, it doesn't follow that government cannot hinder job creation.
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#799656 - 11/12/12 06:44 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: blackmouth]
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Not so. If it can't create jobs then it has no control over job creation or the lack of. Unless you were to think about all of the corporate welfare that government hands out. Does that create jobs? If not then lets put a stop to it right now. Think Romney would be behind no corporate deductions? It's a give away with no return right?
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#799680 - 11/12/12 08:06 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: stlhead]
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Originally Posted By: stlhead
Not so. If it can't create jobs then it has no control over job creation or the lack of.


Really? Mr. O. stopped the Keystone pipeline and all the jobs that would come with it. Does that mean that if he had allowed it, that he would have "created" those jobs? No it does not.

However if I use your line of reasoning, I can now understand Elizabeth Warren's "You didn't build that" concept, that President O plagiarized.

I can see that if a person believes in an omnipotent government how your logic could, or perhaps must follow.
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#799816 - 11/13/12 11:04 AM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: blackmouth]
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Deduct your mortgage interest?
The massive corp deduction for R&D?
Interest on a yacht or motor home?
Small businesses a tax break?
If none of these govt actions leads to job creation as they were designed to do then we should get rid of them all. Deductions and subsidies are anti-capitalism.
In fact your Keystone pipeline is heavily dependant upon govt susidies. Look it up.

Romney would have made more sense if he called for a flat tax and no deductions or subsidies for anybody or anything. Of course then we'd hear from the fat cats "Fund it with my own money? Are you kidding?".
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#799835 - 11/13/12 12:59 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: stlhead]
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A government levies taxes, many of which provide a disincentive to invest and thus hurts employment. Now the government that levied the taxes elects to return some of the money by means of a tax cut, or targeted deductions. Hopefully some industries can now find incentive to hire new workers, and you will say that government has created those jobs. It's almost as if you assume that the money that was taken in taxes was the governments to begin with.

"You didn't build that."
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#799846 - 11/13/12 01:56 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: blackmouth]
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#799850 - 11/13/12 02:07 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: blackmouth]
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"targeted deductions"

Targeted at what? Creating jobs right? Romney, and you, use warped logic. You both believe that the hand out should be kept whether jobs were created or not and if jobs were created it wasn't because of the hand out.
"and you will say that government has created those jobs" Absolutely! You seem to argue that the jobs would be created with or without the govt hand out. If so then you would also have to agree there was no need for a hand out in the first place and those dollars should be returned to the tax payer. There are reasons Romney isn't president. This is one of them.
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#799852 - 11/13/12 02:16 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: stlhead]
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Originally Posted By: stlhead
those dollars should be returned to the tax payer.



This would mean the Solyndra’s executives need to pay back the bonuses recieved to the tax payers right? After all it was stimulas monies..
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#799861 - 11/13/12 02:42 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: Timber]
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Stlhead has logic that only works if you say the govern created the money. It is not a handout when they take 36% of someones income as opposed to 40%. That 4% less they come in and take because they can is not a handout or welfare you jacka$$. I have attempted many times to explain it to you without success so wont beat the dead and dumb horse.

That logic does play good in liberalland though. Not to be confused with legoland where things are actually get built.
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#799899 - 11/13/12 05:30 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: docspud]
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Originally Posted By: docspud
Stlhead has logic that only works if you say the govern created the money. It is not a handout when they take 36% of someones income as opposed to 40%. That 4% less they come in and take because they can is not a handout or welfare you jacka$$. I have attempted many times to explain it to you without success so wont beat the dead and dumb horse.

That logic does play good in liberalland though. Not to be confused with legoland where things are actually get built.


What if "they" take 0% of a corporations income, then send out a tax refund and award subsidies? Still no handouts? You sir are an idiot.
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#799902 - 11/13/12 05:38 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Originally Posted By: stlhead
Deductions and subsidies are anti-capitalism.


Would that include deductions and subsidies for say, solar power? I've read somewhere the gubmint props up solar to the tune of about $775 per megawatt hour. In contrast, those subsidies for other forms of energy like natural gas, coal, and oil get 64 cents of subsidies per unit.

How about tariffs? Are they anti-capitalism? The U.S. International Trade Commission unanimously decided this week that solar panels from China will now be subject to tariffs of about 24 to 36%. It would seem to me if someone wanted to promote sources of alternative energy, they wouldn't make them more expensive for consumers.


Idiot number 2: Tariffs are between countries with unequal and even non-capitalistic versus capitalistic economies and other currencies controlled in other ways. For instance when China flooded our market with cheap tires. If there were global capitalism using the same currency then yes tariffs would be anti-capitalistic. And yes propping up solar power, or any other energy or the real estate/construction market, etc is manipulating prices (supply and demand) and anti-capitalism.

You dolts don't realize you are agreeing that govt does in fact create jobs.
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#799904 - 11/13/12 05:46 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: stlhead]
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Originally Posted By: stlhead

What if "they" take 0% of a corporations income, then send out a tax refund and award subsidies? Still no handouts? You sir are an idiot.


You have come very close to describing the EITC.

And by the way, those who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones.
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#799907 - 11/13/12 05:54 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: blackmouth]
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dont forget, you are talking to someone who lives in a stone house and throws glass



jfc...

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#799910 - 11/13/12 06:20 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: ]
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Noted
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#799914 - 11/13/12 06:49 PM Re: Unenjoyment continues... [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: blackmouth
Originally Posted By: stlhead

What if "they" take 0% of a corporations income, then send out a tax refund and award subsidies? Still no handouts? You sir are an idiot.


You have come very close to describing the EITC.

And by the way, those who live in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones.



WTF? Ok number 3 has chimed in. EITC is on the same par as corporate welfare. Wow!
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