my gf Katie knows i buy and sell sports crap, mainly cards, well at one time i did... not so much anymore... but this is a trip...

she went to grab some things from her house, and calls and asks if i want a "ball"... im like "uhhh, ok, wtf?" she says, "it looks old and has a bunch of signatures on it"... me "ummmm, alright, can you read any?"

"yeah a couple"

"who"

"umm Ruby York, and Tommy McBride i can ready"

"honey, its not Ruby, its Rudy, and he played in the 30-s and 40s... yeah sure, bring it home, could be someone on there you cant read"

"ok"


Rudy is for sure on there, while he was on the Red Sox in the 40s, and you will see why i say that in a minute..

Rudy:



other side



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i dont care for baseball much anymore, i used to alot, and collected alot of cards of very good players, sold em, collected more, sold em, upgraded, ect...im not new.. but this sh!t is funny...

im lookin at the ball and a website, and before going throught the end of the roster,im thinkin who the fvck was on the Sox in the 40s i dont remember.... then i see it... above Klingers sig...



one of the greatest baseball players of all time... and she gave it to me... amazing...

well kick it off to a Red Sox fan for a good price and get her away and up in the woods or something to relax her mind a bit...

she doesnt even fvckin know who Ted Williams is LOL..

i just realized the pics are blurry before im posting this, im eating dinner now with her so they will have to suffice... for now

Nice score, hook!

My dad was given, and passed to me, a couple baseballs that were signed in the 30s. One was of the San Francisco Seals. Those autographs are a little faded and outside of Dom DiMaggio I am unfamiliar with most.

But, the other is from a team that went to Japan in the late 30s. Joe and Dom D, Tony Lazzeri, Lefty Gomez to high-grade. Sam Mele, Joe Marty, and others from the second tier.

Just seen a comercial about Drew Breeze doing an interview on "Person to Person" and he was holding a Ted Williams signed ball.

It went on to say something about that's why he is # 9

Supposed to be on TV tomorrow 11/23/12

ive figured out all the names on the ball, except 1 or 2 i cant read due to fading... oh well...

Wally Moses
Tommy McBride
Don Gutteridge
Rip Russell
Bob Doerr
Ted Williams
Bob Klinger
Earl Johnson
Rudy York
Dom DiMaggio
Bill Butland
Joe Dobson
Sam Mele
Tex Hughson
Micky Harris
Mel Parnell
Harry Dorish
Roy Partee
Hal Wagner
Eddie Pellagrini
Bill Zuber
Johnny Murphy

that puts the ball at 1947 because York played for both the Red Sox and White Sox in 1947, and retired with the A's in 1948... 1947 was also the last year Bill Butland played in the majors... 47 was Sam Mele's rookie year, Bill Zuber was only there in 1947 as well...

it was also the year that "The Kid", Williams won the triple crown... and the year he almost won MVP as well (he won 2 other times), but lost to Joe Dimaggio with 201 votes to Joes 202...

You don't have a Certificate of authenticity so not worth much. Plus the signatures are faded at best which further devalue the ball. However, pretty cool find just don't expect any monetary value.

ive been doing the sports thing for 25+ years, the people i know, trust me, i have yet to be turned down because i didnt have a COA/LOA... a while back we sold a Edgar Martinez signed bat for 100 bucks without a COA/LOA...

the fading isnt terrible on the autos that mean the most, but you are correct that fading does decrease value of the autos... the ones that are really faded (2) arent anyone important, so its all good in my book...

the guys i deal with have been in business for a very long time as well, one in particular specializes in old memoribilia and signatures during this time frame, as well as earlier and later... we could match the sigs to ones he has to further authenticate it... he would likely buy it for his collection and not selling as well...

the ball isnt an extremely valuable one either, not like a Ruth or Cobb ball, but still has some value, probably in the 400-1500 range, but most likely in the middle of that... it is a vintage REACH ball tho from the era it was signed, so that further guarentees authenticity as they were the balls used in the game during that time... REACH sold the company to Spalding in the late 1800s, but they were labeled REACH for the AL and Spalding for the senior circut... then in the 70s Rawlings bought the rights and started making the balls...

like i said, some Red Sox fan will appreciate it, im not into baseball anymore so its just an old ball with some good ball players on it, and one of the best to ever swing a bat...

if it was a football signed by the 72 Phins or the 88-89 Niners i would keep it for myself...

Not into baseball anymore? Baseball is the best sport out there, especially when it comes to legit history. Name 10 football signatures before 1970 that you would want on a football. Case closed..

have fun with your 3600 seconds redhook.

oh and I will also add I wouldn't pay 100 bucks for an edgar martinez bat givin he isn't in the hall of fame. so again you really know nothing about how this works.

very true Chuck, im in no way expecting to get rich from this... a few hundred bucks yeah, but thousands, no way in hell...

brah, you obviously dont understand much, you may not pay 100 bucks for a Martinez bat, but people in Wa would, and do, all day long, Edgar is loved here as much as the legends in NY...

and name 10 players before 70 i would want on a ball? is that a joke? alrighty then... problem is, you would never see these players on 1 ball, unless you religiously traveled the states going to conventions and paying big money to get the signatures put on them before they died... impossible... plus the fact that they are probably all HOFers and that would be something that likely wouldnt happen either.... would take far too much time and too much money to accomplish it...

heres your list:

Jim Brown
Gale Sayers
George Blanda
Dick Lane
Joe Namath
Fran Tarkenton
Bob Griese
Ollie Matson
Norm Van Brocklin
Johnny Unitas
Bart Starr
Sonny Jurgenson
Paul Hornung
Deac Jones
Dick Butkus
Merlin Olsen
Alex Karras
Sammy Baugh
Steve Van Buren
Sid Luckman
Jim Thorpe
George MacAfee
Red Grange
Bob Waterfield
Mike Ditka

now i have left out a ton of great players from before 1970, but those names popped into my head, and obviously its more than 10... i could do it with baseball too... baseball today, for me, is garbage, too much controversy with steroids and such, im just not into it anymore... im not saying its a sh!tty sport, not knockin anyone for liking it, i just dont care for it anymore... i still collect the older players from the 1900s to the 60s when i get wild hairs, just not into any of it really any more... including football, i used to have a ton of stuff, rookies, autos, balls, bats, gloves, ect... but i dont anymore... i used to enjoy buying and selling, just not my thing at this time, so ive kinda substituted it with fishing, buying and selling old rods, reels, gear ect....

i know plenty of how this works, brah

Happy Thanksgiving guys...

since you hate baseball so much I will pay 50 dollars for your poverty red sox baseball take it or leave it.

There was a baseball like this on pawn stars that they bought for $800 the other day. Signatures were in similiar condition and there was no certificate of authenticity, they did have an expert do a sig compare and she said it was legit.

agreed this would be worth money cause if they had the ticket stub plus ball signed it would be worth a couple hundred.

Chuck, a ball like that would only be worth the value of a "game used" auto ball pretty much... you may get a little more being that game, but not nessecarally, and not much, and heres why...

as you know, many balls are used in games, fouls, scrapes, fans snatching them, ect... so theres already a ton of balls used during the no hitter... a home run ball, is completely different.. because theres only 1 ball.. and if it comes at a point in MLB history, it makes it worth even more, like the Bonds and McGwire balls... McGwires sold for 3.2 million if i remember right when he hit the 72, and Bonds was something like 400k for both the 756, 762 HR balls, and the 73 homer year as well, cant remember.. they also arent signed...

theres only 1 of those balls tho, vs many used by a pitcher... the last ball that Felix threw, touched, ect, is probably going to be worth a bit more than just one ball from that game, but the problem with that is, its likely sitting in his house, and you nor i will ever own it, let alone see it in person... he doesnt need the money, and he threw a no hitter while playing for the damn Mariners, id keep it too, i mean its the Mariners for cryin out loud...

but, like you said, something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.. my dad beat that into my head at a very young age, so i never got dissapointed when a shop owner gave me 15 bucks for a card that booked at 25, because 1, they had to make money, and 2, a book isnt someone paying for it....

the Bonds and McGwire balls are worth considerably less now, after the fiascos and such, but still would command quite a bit of money, but no where near what they sold for back then...

You wouldn't get that kind of money from a collector since there was at least 12 foul balls that game by the Rays, all those balls in the stands kind of dilutes the market.

Didn't catch my driftt I guess, the point is that Chuck would have some proof as where the signed ball came from. Where as redhoo'ks sandlot ball has none. It was just an example........

sandlot ball?

we know exactly where it came from, who it came from, they type of person that person was, ect... theres also a Babe Ruth signed ball in the mix, but thats not hers yet.... well, not in her hands yet...

THAT one will stay.... even if its worth thousands...

gvworst was captain of his debate club.

Let's just suppose Chuck's family catches a game used ball during the no hitter and has it signed no less. The claim that other foul balls would dilute the market is ludicrous. They would have a signed ball plus ticket stub on a somewhat historic night. Also, I agree with Redhook on this point, being in the Seattle area would up any Mariner memorabilia.

Well seeing how Chucks's ball isn't signed, I guess we can just make anything up to increase the value and help your argument. As stated before a similar ball fetched like $800 without a CA, so it is obvious people in the business know a little more about this kind of stuff than you.

Just for a little perspective a autographed ball from Derek Lowe's no hitter in 2002 is selling for $35, it has a CA.

Would you buy an autographed ball without a CA? Thought so. If you would then you are really dumb.

yeah the area means everything... but not always the case with vintage stuff.. new stuff most deffinately, theres probably someone in this state that would pay a ridiculous amount for a ball like that... but, multiple balls does dilute the market, ONLY if they are all on the market... there are currently no Hernandez no hitter balls on the market that im aware of, so, in that case, it could still be bad, the ball could sell for 100 bucks and that would be what the market would base further balls of that kind off of.... if it sells for 10k however, the market would explode after that price and the balls would skyrocket... then, crash down to earth...

thats the thing with vintage stuff, it never loses value... if a new player say like Pujols or Hernandez screws off the rest of their career, goes broke, ect, their cards will plummet, and so will all other sports peices... thats not the case with Cobb, Ruth, Mantle, Williams, Snider, Page, Killebrew, ect ect ect... they are all dead... their cards and mems will remain at the same price untill the market allows them to go up, especially if graded...

the problem is, ebay.. ebay dictates the market, because thats where the market is at... Beckett and other sports publications and price guides are basically wastes of money... more of a starting point, but you can easily go on ebay, and check completed listings and see what has sold, and for how much... 90 percent of card shop owners do this, which goes right back to what Chuck said

somethings only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...

The fact that an expert compared a signature is a form of authenticating the ball. But I guess you missed that gvbest.

Actually I didn't miss it because most CA actually certify that the autographs are authentic but when a expert looks at the signatures without a CA (you know some form of document signed at the same time as the autograph), it is the experts best opinion. Which is exactly what someone would do for RH's ball prior to paying good money, so your original statement about being worthless with no CA is ignorant at best.

He isn't there yet is he? So yeah right now it is pretty much worthless.

That was my point.

I would guess in your opinion but since you do not set the value for baseballs or any other thing unless you are actually the one purchasing it, I guess that would make your opinion useless.

Guess so same with your opinion, useless.

Anyways, Nate if you do actually have a Babe Ruth signed ball, buy a clear case for it if you haven't already done that. That will be worth a couple grand. With a CA . Inb4 gvbest argues what it is worth.

balls sold just waiting till monday when the banks open...

500...

don't talk $hit about Edgar Martinez.

you have a really giant head. sh!t4brains.