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#804311 - 12/03/12 09:41 AM NBC and a gun ban plea...during football
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#804340 - 12/03/12 11:59 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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the feelers will always manage to out yell the thinnkers.

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#804344 - 12/03/12 12:18 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Illyrian]
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Total tragedy. I wonder what she said, that led to her death?

It's really too bad rae carruth didn't eat a bullet as well.

Sad.

Mf
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#804588 - 12/04/12 01:30 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Pallleeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.Good luck,

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#804617 - 12/04/12 09:23 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: STRIKE ZONE]
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Lots of heat rising from Costa's diatribe. Rightfully so, IMO.


Edited by Slab Happy (12/04/12 09:26 AM)
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#804621 - 12/04/12 09:55 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ParaLeaks]
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What would Casta's comments be on the guy in Wyoming with the bow/arrow and knife?

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#804626 - 12/04/12 10:36 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Waterboy]
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If you don't have to give up your car because others drive drunk with their's then why do you have to give up your guns because someone commited a crime with theirs...
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#804637 - 12/04/12 11:22 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Timber]
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Funny, sad, people forget that the athlete is the entity that wanted to
be dead, not the gun.
Never give a screwball a soapbox.

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#804670 - 12/04/12 02:09 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Timber]
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Costas = idiot
never liked him now i never will
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#804718 - 12/04/12 04:27 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: 2MANY
An NFL linebacker isn't capable of killing with a knife or his bare hands.

JFC


It takes a running back to be able to do that. Sheesh! wink
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#804731 - 12/04/12 05:15 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Dogfish]
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Originally Posted By: Dogfish
Originally Posted By: 2MANY
An NFL linebacker isn't capable of killing with a knife or his bare hands.

JFC


It takes a running back to be able to do that. Sheesh! wink


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#804751 - 12/04/12 06:33 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ParaLeaks]
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#804752 - 12/04/12 06:36 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Dogfish]
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In this senseless act of violence, who will know for sure what the victim may or may not have done to push this cull over the edge.

One thing for sure, from my point of view, after that poor woman was murdered, for whatever reason, I'm just glad that the angry assailant still had a firearm in his hand to bring some closure and finish off what our justice system may not have been able to do.
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#804775 - 12/04/12 07:45 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Good letter.Good luck,
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#804776 - 12/04/12 07:52 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: STRIKE ZONE]
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Where are all the feel good letters from the innocent folks who were killed accidently by guns?

I mean come on... if dead people can vote, surely they can write letters to congressmen...
jfc

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#804779 - 12/04/12 08:01 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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So wait, you have a sports anchor, quoting a local news article, and clearly expressing an editorial opinion.... That's bad.

But you have a "Fair and balanced" news outlet, which in fact slants its coverage to the point that it abandons all pretense of being either fair or balanced on issues. That's good.

I find both to be mistakes. The difference is that the mistake is the corner case/exception for both Costas and NBC Football. It's the rule on FoxNews.
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#804796 - 12/04/12 09:06 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Re: atomic bombs, the fact that you and RvW make fun of that argument proves only that you are both missing the point of it.

I understand it's more fun to rip me than to actually think about hard issues... It just does nothing to advance the discussion.
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#804801 - 12/04/12 09:21 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
I'm surprised you didn't fit neutron bombs in there somewhere.

You're slipping.


LOL....he's working on the charts and graphs to prove his "point".

I think the point of it was to show what little grasp he has on reality. To that end he's succeeded. I suppose a congrats is in order for him?

Next we'll have 4skin schooling us on above ground storage tanks.
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#804855 - 12/05/12 12:15 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: salmosalar
How do you all think there is no correlation to fox. IR made it pretty clearly.

Although a huge overstep by Costas et al. it is nothing compared to everyday on Fox.


Go Sox,
cds


I think that's the argument, if Fox can distort, fabricate and just plain make up the news, and get away with it by claiming it's their Constitutional right to free speech, then why can't Costas give his opinion?

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#804859 - 12/05/12 12:22 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
For some strange and unknown reason, you brought up Fox and you somehow think there's a correlation between the two. There is none and I suggest you disassociate that from your thought process. Perhaps then you can further advance the discussion.


Actually there *is* a correlation... In both cases, the opinion/bias has been injected into content where it most certainly doesn't belong.
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#804865 - 12/05/12 12:53 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
The opinion/bias on Fox you speak of is on opinion programs where that would be expected. Opinions/bias aren't reflected in the news programs on Fox.


Then why, when tested do Fox News watchers get it wrong? The only explanation is they do in fact bias the news, so much so their listeners are current event idiots.


Edited by Illahee (12/05/12 12:54 AM)

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#804867 - 12/05/12 01:09 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Originally Posted By: Hankster
Opinions/bias aren't reflected in the news programs on Fox.


I think it's incredibly dangerous to believe your news-source of choice is unbiased. It's also IMO sort of intellectually lazy to believe one side of the story...

If you're at all interested, the PEW study on this stuff from earlier this year is an interesting read:

http://www.journalism.org/analysis_report/coverage_candidates_media_sector_and_cable_outlet

You can snip interesting sound bites all day from it, but to me the most interesting thing is how CNN and print media roughly DOUBLED on neutral/balanced stories vs. 4 years ago. Fox and MSNBC instead increased their bias vs. 4 years ago.

In the face of that study, and your general sense of the modern media environment, I'm not sure how can you reasonably assert there's not significant bias in Fox's news coverage? I certainly wouldn't assert that about MSNBC (which I've probably spent a collective 2 hours watching in my life, so I admit I'm under-informed on)
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#804869 - 12/05/12 01:20 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: IrishRogue]
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Fox News explains why average Americans vote against the own economic well being.
Back in the 50's Radio Free Europe was a conduit for money to fight Communist propaganda, America now seems a lot more tolerate of that sort of behavior.

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#804876 - 12/05/12 01:39 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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When you average in Fox to find the "center", virtually everything is going to be left of center.

Fox is not even in the ball park, or out in the parking lot.

It's on fuckin' Pluto.

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#804878 - 12/05/12 01:50 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Todd]
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Hank,

The groseclose study is interesting -- IMO a bit indirect in methods (sampling which think tanks are referenced by outlets) vs the PEW study (which is pretty direct -- evaluating pos/negative coverage of GOP/Dem candidates)

And just from a gut-check standpoint, the PEW study -- which has MSNBC and FOX at the extremes, passes the sniff test. Did you see where Groseclose's analysis puts the Wall Street Journal? I read the Journal and it's not suffering from liberal bias. Kind of undermines Groseclose if you ask me.

But I'll ask again, after reading BOTH of these studies, do you still believe your statement "Opinions/bias aren't reflected in the news programs on Fox. "?
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#804999 - 12/05/12 02:32 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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We need to revoke his visa.
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#805065 - 12/05/12 06:24 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: Dogfish]
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Wonder if Piers could make the same argument for whaling and tribal netting?

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#805099 - 12/05/12 07:45 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Try tellin that to IR. He thinks that if you own a firearm you should be able to own an atomic bomb....after the requisite backround checks I'm sure.

And only for sporting and useful purposes....
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#805103 - 12/05/12 07:51 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ]
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Absolutely Hank. Even IR knows that the typical soldier (worldwide) is issued an atomic bomb and that he is required to qualify on the atomic range.
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#805137 - 12/05/12 09:33 PM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: RowVsWade]
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"atomic range?"

NIMBY!

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#805200 - 12/06/12 12:23 AM Re: NBC and a gun ban plea...during football [Re: ParaLeaks]
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Hank and RvW. I'll try this again... Even though I'm sure YOU both actually understand what I was saying and are just willfully distorting it, I'll repeat the original text (a self C&P!) so you can read it again. Maybe it'll make more sense on second reading. Before you start, be sure you understand what an "analogy" is--because this is one:

Quote:
Nearly all governing results in taking what is inevitably a spectrum, and coding it into discrete groups. Do I believe people should be allowed to own weapons? Yes. Do I believe people should be allowed to own any weapon imaginable? Nope.

Let's take explosives as a counter example -- Somewhere between a firecracker and a 50 megaton hydrogen bomb is a line. We can debate its location, but there's a line.

Why is it so difficult to understand that a similar line is reasonable on guns?
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