So what you're saying is that the NRA condemns him as a commie?

Fish on...

Todd

Got a link? I actually think before I respond.

Naw Todd, but they might condemn him for being an athiest.

Andy, I'll look for a linky thing. That's on the list of computer thingies I haven't mastered.

Highly recommended no matter what side of the issue you are on:

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-riddle-of-the-gun

Follow-up article answering critics of the first: http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/faq-on-violence

The site has links to more articles.

Sg

I don't believe the NRA will condemn Mr. Harris for being an atheist, as I have not been able to find an NRA position on atheism.

The article was interesting and well written. However I find his view of the second amendment somewhat troubling, and not supported by Supreme Court decisions.

I cruised thru them pretty quick, but didn't see much at all about the Second Amendment...which part are you referring to?

Fish on...

Todd

"In fact, it can be easily argued that original intent of the Second Amendment had nothing to do with the right of self-defense—which remains the ethical case to be made for owning a firearm. The amendment seems to have been written to allow the states to check the power of the federal government by maintaining their militias."

The above came from a paragraph about 3/4 of the way through the article.
I agree with the first sentence, in that the matter has been often argued his second sentence can also "be easily argued" however recent SCOTUS decisions appear to be in conflict with the authors interpretation of the Second Amendment.

Thanks for the links to Sam's articles. I have to say I am fairly well alligned with the basic idea of what he is presenting. My interpretation of this is that we are each responsible for our own personal security, and those in our immediate surroundings.

Washington's constitution is rather clear, and since I live here, this the standard that I am most concerned with. Section 24 of the constitution reads as follows:

SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

This specifically gives rights to the individuals within our state, but backs away somewhat from the idea of a "militia" that is contained in the second amendment. Thats fine. I'm am not formal member of any formal militia except that I am of miltary age, and a male.

you all need to read this, all of it is dead on, and its by Ronnie Barrett himself...

http://newyorkcityguns.com/2012/09/an-op...-ca-50-cal-ban/

"but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."

While it could apply to a militia, when I first read that it seemed to imply an individual or corp having a private army.

with the 5 teens shot in New Orleans yesterday on MLK Blvd and this shooting at the college in Texas just a bit ago....

Houston, weve got problems...

all of this stuff is only going to make things worse...

There are shootings on a regular basis. With 8,500 firearms murders every year, that is about 23/day. As tragic as it is for the victims and their loved ones, it is half of what it was 20 years ago.

Of 14,000 murders and manslaughter cases, 9,700 happened in metropolitan areas, cities over 100,000 and the immediate vicinity. 69%.

More guns per capita in rural areas with a much lower murder rate.

Chicago is the model for gun control.

Looks like Thursday is when Feinstein will introduce her bill.

That bitch made me buy 5 over-priced mags today.

Classic!!!

It's even hard to find .22 LR Glad I have 10k rounds of CCI..oh yeah, oh yeah.

What did you pay?

I'm not going to rush in and buy firearms, or accessories for my firearms at inflated prices in this heated atmosphere. While I doubt that the Progressives possess the the backers that they would need to cause much damage to the 2nd Amendment, I find that the traction that the ever-present and unified message from leftist politicos and media has gained with the populace, alarming.

I will be watching Ms. Feinstein's proposed bill will with great interest.

I've always wanted to try NTMHG mags from Okay Industries Hartford, CT
Same plant makes Colt mags.
Paid $25 each which is 2.5x normal cost.

JFC